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Poll on eczema, dermatitis, psoriasis... - Autoimmunity, inflammation and leaky gut links

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by Beyond, Nov 7, 2013.

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Do you have any form of eczema, dermatitis or psoriasis?

  1. I don´t have either eczema or dandruff.

    8 vote(s)
    24.2%
  2. I have facial dermatitis.

    2 vote(s)
    6.1%
  3. I have scalp dermatitis (dandruff).

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
  4. I have eczema/dermatitis elsewhere.

    9 vote(s)
    27.3%
  5. I have facial and scalp dermatitis (dandruff).

    6 vote(s)
    18.2%
  6. I have psoriasis.

    4 vote(s)
    12.1%
  1. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Ever since I got ill, one thing that has accompanied me is facial eczema, which fluctuates a lot but has NEVER in these years of illness dissapeared completely. Along with annoying very copious dandruff, but I had that one before.

    My theory is that mild skin disorders appears when you have IgG allergies because of a dysfunctional gut. Over time this can progress to IgE allergies, that´s why first appears the dermatitis (a leaky gut symptom as I prove in the last links).

    http://www.aad.org/stories-and-news...titis-is-a-strong-precursor-to-food-allergies

    A good overview of how atopic dermatitis means autoimmunity, inflammation and allergic reactions to food:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1296079/?page=6

    Histamine release after food consumption of people with atopic dermatitis:

    http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM198408093110605

    IgG and eczema:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1535979/

    The leaky gut link with dermatitis/eczema:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022347604006341

    http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v86/n2/abs/5614367a.html

    Psoriasis and leaky gut:

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0923181191900575
     
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  2. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    I did have eczema/dermatitis until I started my leaky-gut diet and supplements last year. The skin on my palms was very flaky, and often split and bled, which was very painful and damned inconvenient as it's almost impossible to put a dressing on one's palm and still get on with life.

    For many years I tried a wide range of creams, lotions, salves, etc., some of which worked for a very short time and some of which did not work at all. These were variously prescription, over-the-counter and natural products.

    Not long after changing my diet, my palms became completely smooth again! My sinus congestion and many other symptoms have also improved markedly.
     
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  3. minkeygirl

    minkeygirl Narcissism = lack of self awareness

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    I got psoriasis (thank you dad), long before I got sick. I don't think it's any worse because of the the disease. Any progression has to do with stress unrelated to my being sick.

    I'm going to see a Rheumatologist (just got the referral) and actually hope to get Methotrexate to also help with my CMV.
     
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  5. minkeygirl

    minkeygirl Narcissism = lack of self awareness

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    Interesting but I don't see anything on there about biologicals.

    I never cared much with psoriasis on my skin or scalp but it is going to my fingernails now which crosses the line for me. I remember my dad's nails were like petrified wood and I just can't go there.
     
  6. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Minkeygirl you were sick then long before getting ME, you just got the grand prize thanks to chronic infections and what not. Psoriasis has to do with leaky gut and leaky gut has to do with CFS (in some cases at least). The fact is, I think everyone chronically ill has been and will always be different from the chronically healthy. Meaning that in a sense we will always be ill or in the verge of being ill, and that explains why when people get into remission can and usually get back to being non-functional.
     
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  7. knackers323

    knackers323 Senior Member

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    Hi what did the diet consist of?
     
  8. minkeygirl

    minkeygirl Narcissism = lack of self awareness

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    I never heard until now that Psoriasis is from leaky gut. And if so why does LDN help it?

    What I meant was that I had psoriasis years before ME was even on my radar and my ME was precipitated by a wrong diagnosis which crashed my adrenals. Then I got a virus I never recovered from.
     
  9. Beyond

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    minkeygirl Narcissism = lack of self awareness

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    Thanks but can't read those. I'll let my doc deal with it.
     
  11. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    I recommend this thread for info about leaky-gut diet and supplements. The link is to the page where I detail my own version of the diet, and later I list my supplements.
     
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  13. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    Thanks for voting!

    PD: My dandruff is currently driving me crazy! :thumbdown: (scracthing his scurfy head). Is actually one of these few times the itching prevents me from sleeping. And the nose eczema is quite annoying as well, when you are in the bed in the middle of the night with insomnia these feelings get boosted.
     
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  14. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    OK - time to see if anyone else has the weird skin condition I have had on my scalp for years. It's not eczema or dandruff.

    The skin has gone lumpy. I can pull up big lumps of it, which are squidgy and feel like lumps of fat, and sometimes it feels as though I might be able to pull a lump right off. I've tried searching on medical sites but have not been able to identify it. At first I thought it might be a return of the really bad scalp lumps I had when I had chickenpox as a young child, but it's different, without the excruciating itching I had then. Maybe sebaceous cysts?
     
  15. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    MeSci that sounds like sebaceous cysts indeed. Only a specilized doc would tell for sure.
     
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    I was diagnosed with eczema of the scalp a couple of years before the onset of ME in the early 80's. About 10 years later, I was diagnosed with psoriasis of the scalp, which, though more severe than the eczema, has responded fairly well to OTC medicated shampoos for psoriasis.

    I assume that the earlier "eczema" was just sort of a sub-clinical precursor to what would become scalp psoriasis.

    Recently, I also developed meibomian gland dysfunction (MGD) which impairs the production and/or delivery of the "oil" component of the tear film. This can result in the rapid evaporation of the tear-film and, consequently to dry, burning eyes (which, in my case - in combination with contact lens wear - led to giant papillary conjunctivitis). Apparently, MGD, is seen more frequently in people with psoriasis. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8883550

    In the poll above, I'm not sure if it would make sense to distinguish between scalp psoriasis and the more wide spread form of psoriasis that can occur on other parts of the body.
     
  17. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    So far, 75% of 20 persons. Pretty interesting. It adds more evidence to autoimmunity, intestinal inflammation etc
     
  18. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6

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    It would be higher if I hadn't got rid of mine so can't honestly say I have eczema/dermatitis!
     
  19. Beyond

    Beyond 10% of discount in iHerb!--> PEZ915

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    That´s a good thing anyway! Congratulations :thumbsup: I can´t wait to make mine go away. It´s been now three years or so since we were out partying and a friend noted me that I had something on my face. I know that the day that my scalp and face eczema are gone I will have improved drastically my GI tract - and thus my illness.
     
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  20. rosie26

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    I get eczema only every now and then.

    Many years ago I used to get it just under my left elbow, it would go away and then come back for couple of days and then disappear for months on end.

    Now I don't get it on my elbow, I now get it just a bit below my left kneecap and that comes and goes as well.

    I seem to get them very close or on joints. don't know if that is typical of eczema.
    Apparently I had eczema a lot when I was a baby, so I have been told.

    I have had problems with dermatitis on the hands. So have to be careful not to use harsh soaps otherwise I can get a flare up.
     

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