We can't say "The proof that CFS is a primarily physical disease is that some people now call it CFIDS." This evidence of immune dysfunction doesn't seem to be consistent enough to allow a diagnostic test - and it's possible that psychological and behavioural abnormalities could result in some immune system changes. I don't think the evidence is as clear cut as you believe.
Hi Esther and all
No the evidence may not be as clear cut as we belive, ( but then again others will argue infact it is )
But i certainly noticed the reaction of the media and even doctors when the first wpi science paper came out, Disbelief was there reaction, how could this be true, you mean these folks are actually really sick, its not just all in there minds. You could see there reactions were WOW, WOW, and WOW again. But of course it was tempered by, we still need to have this confirmed comments.
I could see a clear and distinct change in attitudes with this evidence. But after a few failed attempts to look for the virus, in a couple of suspect studys, ( possibly one good one ) Hey back to work as normal in the morning. Just pathetic, it really is. Of course Scientific evidence is the only way to beat this stranglehold the Goverment and ( puppet shrinks in there pockets ) have on you all, its more conveniant for them, its cheaper, Do you really belive your going to change all that by converting a couple of middle of the road Shrinks into seeing things our way lol.
The die hards, the ones with the real power over medical research adviseing to the goverment are not going to change there minds unless its forced on them by such undeniable Scientific evidence, that they choke on there toast and coffee in the morning when they read WPI finds UK patients have it too. In the morning paper
Of course they will say its contamination or some other excuse to get ther beliefs back on track. But hey they still choked on there toast for a second there didnt they.
If that evidence arises, Scientists like Kerr might jump back on board, others would surely follow. They would really want to know what the heck is going on at this point, would they not.
I posted a comment awhile ago about how many positive UK patients have tested positive in this country that any of you know about, (If im mistaken i apologize) But didnt get one single response to that question. Why do you think i asked that question ? Because if its proven the WPI is not making any kind of seriouse errors, ( which is going to happen sooner or later if there not ? ) then we know those 2 uk studys are flawed. And basically even with a 15 positive count, kind of somewhat proves it doesnt it. We should be telling the media this info, getting them on our side the way the other half does. But do we, No we just go silent with the information we do have to help fight back against this attitude.
Who rose to the bait on that one loL. As far as i can see, for all your super intelligence on this forum, ( and im not even in the same intelligence camp as most on here ) seems like your all debating over the little nity grittys here.
When infact you could be going for the throat. Its just plain weird if you ask me.
I dont mind if im seen as a trouble maker, or millitant, or stupid ,or not completely clued up, or whatever. But i know id rather let my heart speak the truth, than a thousand clever words and arguments getting you all absolutley no where.
We have so much proof, and its growing, use that as best we can, you can all debate untill next week if ya like. But i know youll still be doing it next year, if the judy Ms dont prove there point.
But you might have a couple of on the fence Shrinks with ya at this point saying, YOU KNOW WHAT THEY GOT A POINT jOHN lol.
Good luck guys it just breaks my heart seeing you all go round and round and round, Shall i go on.
We should be writing petitions to the goverment ( forgive me if some already have ) and trying to get law suits to bring those responsible to hearing for the shamefull sectioning of SOPHIA MIRZA who apparently had her cause of death stated as ME on her certificate ( again forgive me if some have tried ) But im new here, I dont really know what has been happening in great detail, so if im wrong then im sorry ok.
But i bring this Girls name up here, and silence. Ok maybe im like the black sheep or something and its a subtle way of saying, sorry we dont appreciate emotional millitant angry negative types with questionable understanding of the subject on our beloved forum. I probably wont be around here to long, either ill getr kicked off, ( which hurts me even more thinking that ) or ill get used to my words being lets say overlooked. Good luck everyone think you need to use what you have to fight back. and i dont think its emailing a couple of shrinks. really i dont. who knows maybe your right. I may not be as ill as i once was, but my mind is still seeing the wrongs being done 15 years later, and i hate it, its wrong, always has been, always will be. Somebody else is going to die soon. It sickens me. Sod it ill write to the health minister myself about Sophia, Dont care if its ignored. Proffessor hooper i like him. great chap. I like being emotional it cuts through the crap, But leaves me looking a little unstable i suppose. tough do doos on me i guess. to post or not to post this is the thought. been here berfore GRIN please try not to hate me, i might just have paid my dues as much as the next person