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Please consider bone density if severe

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS Discussion' started by vikkilouise, May 21, 2016.

  1. vikkilouise

    vikkilouise

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    barbc56 Senior Member

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    @vikkilouise

    Very informative blog. Thanks for posting this.

    Are you the author?
     
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    vikkilouise

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    I am the author
     
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    I have heard reports from time to time that some of us have severe osteoporosis and osteopenia. To a large extent they are not reversible. Prevention is much better. This is an area begging for research with specifically ME patients.

    Muscle deconditioning is trifling. Bone deconditioning isn't.
     
  5. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    According to my dr., bones need a lot more than calcium and vitamin D.
    Specifically:
    Phosphorus
    Magnesium
    Selenium
    Copper
    Manganese
    Molybdenum
    Boron
    Vitamin K1
    Vitamin K2
    Folate
    Ipriflavone


    I have read (I don't recall where) that the drugs produce brittle bone. Even though your bones are denser, you are still at risk for a broken bone.
     
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    u&iraok Senior Member

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    Thanks for this. I found out in my 30's that I was at risk for osteoporosis and went on a mad dash to get all the nutrients that @Little Bluestem mentions. I hope I did it in time.

    Also: germanium

    Too many funny little unknown trace elements that we current or former SAD eaters and modern-hybrid-veg-grown- with-pesticides-far-away-in-poor-soil recipients are deficient in.
     
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    PatJ far and free I gaze

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    When I take Vitamin D some of my other symptoms become worse so I've been avoiding it for years. A decade ago my blood tests showed low vitamin D.

    A couple of months ago I tried 2,000 IU of D3 per day for a week, then 8,000 IU of D3 per day for a few days (along with a vitamin K complex for better absorption). After two days my bones started to ache. Could this be a sign that my bones were finally getting what they need, such as taking in more calcium due to the supplemented vitamin D?

    I'm mostly bedbound at the moment due to OI so I can't make it to the hospital for a bone scan.
     
  8. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    @u&iraok , strontium is another mineral recommend for bones. It is supposed to be taken at least 4 hours away from calcium, which can be challenging.
     
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    Yes, that one too!

    That is challenging to take it 4 hours away from calcium since it's usually in a multi or in a supplement with calcium.

    The 'take this on an empty stomach', 'take this with food', 'take this in the morning', 'take this 45 minutes away from that' is enough to drive you crazy!
     
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    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    I was diagnosed with osteopenia a couple of years ago after over a decade in bed. However, given that I am, in a general sense, on the up (with it's weebles and wobbles), my doctor said that if I continue to become ever more mobile (which has been the trend) then I probably wouldn't have anything to worry about and that it would correct itself over time.

    But he does have a tendency to but a positive gloss on things that he can't do anything about. Still, best be hopeful anyway...
     
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    u&iraok Senior Member

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    The osteopenia thing is scaring people unessesarily (can't spell that!):

    http://www.pressreader.com/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9425500
     
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    Fluoridated water can also cause decreased bone density as well, so its important to either stop the fluoride from being added to your drinking water, or to filter it out or buy non-fluoride water for consumption. The human body has NO need for any fluoride at all, and it can be a source of hormone and neurotransmitter disruption, as well.

    Further, the main chemicals used to fluoridate drinking water are known as “silicofluorides” (i.e., hydrofluorosilicic acid and sodium fluorosilicate). Silicofluorides are not pharmaceutical-grade fluoride products; they are unnprocessed
    industrial by-products (toxic wastes) of the phosphate fertilizer industry.

    Since these silicofluorides undergo no purification procedures, they can contain elevated levels of arsenic — more so than any other water treatment chemical. In addition, recent research suggests that the addition of silicofluorides to water is a risk factor for elevated Lead exposure, particularly among residents who live in homes with older pipes.
     
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    I have quite a bit of hip pain,sometimes femur too,seems to get better if I have milk.
     
  14. PatJ

    PatJ far and free I gaze

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    I found an answer to my question here, at a very useful site for vitamin D and cofactor information.
     

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