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Picariello, Chalder et al: "It feels sometimes like my house has burnt down,[...]"

mango

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'It feels sometimes like my house has burnt down, but I can see the sky': A qualitative study exploring patients' views of cognitive behavioural therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome

Picariello F
1,2, Ali S2, Foubister C1,2, Chalder T2,3.

Author information
  1. Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology, and Neuroscience, King's College London, UK.
  2. South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust, London, UK.
  3. Department of Psychological Medicine, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience, King's College London, UK.
Br J Health Psychol. 2017 Mar 28. doi: 10.1111/bjhp.12235. [Epub ahead of print]

Abstract
OBJECTIVES:
Cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) is currently a first-line treatment for chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Even though the results from trials are promising, there is variability in patient outcomes. The aim of this study was to explore the experiences of patients with CFS who undertook CBT at a specialist service for CFS.

DESIGN:
This was a qualitative study.

METHODS:
Thirteen patients with CFS, approaching the end of CBT, participated in semi-structured interviews. In addition, participants were asked to rate their satisfaction with CBT and perceived level of improvement. The data were analysed using inductive thematic analysis.

RESULTS:
The majority of participants were satisfied with treatment and reported marked improvements. This was evident from the ratings and corroborated by the qualitative data, yet recovery was in general incomplete. Participants often disclosed mixed feelings towards CBT prior to its start. Behavioural aspects of treatment were found useful, while participants were more ambivalent towards the cognitive aspects of treatment.

The tailored nature of CBT and therapist contact were important components of treatment, which provided participants with support and validation. Engagement and motivation were crucial for participants to benefit from CBT, as well as the acceptance of a bio-psychosocial model of CFS. Illness beliefs around CFS were also discussed throughout the interviews, possibly impeding engagement with therapy.

CONCLUSIONS:
The results suggest that various factors may moderate the effectiveness of CBT, and a greater understanding of these factors may help to maximize benefits gained from CBT.

Statement of contribution What is already known on this subject? CBT is effective in reducing CFS symptoms, but not all patients report marked improvements following treatment. Predictors of outcome have been explored in the literature. Few studies have looked at the experience of adult patients with CFS who have had CBT.

What does this study add? Findings provide insights as to why variability in CBT-related improvements exists. Beliefs about CFS and CBT may shape engagement and consequently contribute to post-treatment outcomes. Flexibility and sensitivity are necessary from therapists throughout treatment to ensure full engagement.

© 2017 The British Psychological Society.

KEYWORDS:
causal attributions; chronic fatigue syndrome; cognitive behavioural therapy; engagement; evaluation; fatigue; illness beliefs; intervention; myalgic encephalopathy; outcomes; psychotherapy; qualitative; thematic analysis

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28349621
 

trishrhymes

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So what they found out is that it's important that patients believe in the BPS model so they will fill in the questionnaires in the way the researchers want them to and say they are feeling better.

Whoopee-do!

Come join our jolly BPS religion and we'll provide miraculous healing...

Pass the sick bag.

As for that wierd quote in the title - I can't decide if it's the patient or the researchers taking the piss.

:vomit::vomit::vomit:
 

OverTheHills

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I notice this is another adult study Trudy C has her name on. does anyone else get the feeling she is trying to build "credibilty" :aghhh::vomit::depressed::nervous::bang-head: In another area. Not content with torturing children, eyeing space left by Peter White departure etc.?
 

Invisible Woman

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I notice this is another adult study Trudy C has her name on. does anyone else get the feeling she is trying to build "credibilty" :aghhh::vomit::depressed::nervous::bang-head: In another area. Not content with torturing children, eyeing space left by Peter White departure etc.?


Am I missing something or are you confusing her with Esther Crawley?

Either way ... same cr@p different culprit!
 

sarah darwins

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As for that wierd quote in the title - I can't decide if it's the patient or the researchers taking the piss.

Somebody is. Are they actually suggesting that there's a bright side to having your house burn down — it's really great for astronomy? I mean, what sort of emotionally tone deaf, bone-headed person would use that as the title for a paper about people whose lives have been wrecked by illness?
 

arewenearlythereyet

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Somebody is. Are they actually suggesting that there's a bright side to having your house burn down — it's really great for astronomy? I mean, what sort of emotionally tone deaf, bone-headed person would use that as the title for a paper about people whose lives have been wrecked by illness?
The really awful sort

I have visions of them rounding up the 13 in a van that has driven up and down the country....."ok. Thirteen will have to do .....go go go!"

I hope they removed the sacks from their heads before they forced them to fill in the questionnaire.
 

A.B.

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Chalder et. al. said:
The results suggest that various factors may moderate the effectiveness of CBT

Of course it matters what patients believe, because CBT is a placebo. All their work revolves around creating, optimizing, and documenting placebo effects, and then misrepresenting them as actual improvement in health rather than biased reporting.

Chalder et. al. said:
CBT is effective in reducing CFS symptoms

Just like a placebo is "effective at reducing asthma symptoms" if one relies on measures of health that are easily influenced by expectation, hope, etc.:

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That CBT doesn't lead to improvement in objective measures of health, for example these step test results from the PACE trial, strongly suggests that it's merely a placebo treatment:

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Revel

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I was offered CBT by my doctor. I refused it on the grounds that I felt it would be a useless waste of time for me.

My doctor's terse response? "Well, it won't work if you don't believe in it!".

So, I have cast the notion of CBT aside, along with Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy . . . :cautious:.
 

user9876

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So what they found out is that it's important that patients believe in the BPS model so they will fill in the questionnaires in the way the researchers want them to and say they are feeling better.

Whoopee-do!

Come join our jolly BPS religion and we'll provide miraculous healing...

Pass the sick bag.

As for that wierd quote in the title - I can't decide if it's the patient or the researchers taking the piss.

:vomit::vomit::vomit:

I quite like the quote it is basically saying things are really bad but I'm trying to look on the bright side so I will fill out questionnaires with slightly better scores.

I think that just about sums up CBT
 

Undisclosed

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METHODS:
Thirteen patients with CFS (how were they chosen, based on what criteria)(13 is not even approaching statistical significance)

approaching the end of CBT, participated in semi-structured interviews. (Semi- structured as in basically making shit up as you go along. Why not have them fill out a biased poorly designed questionnaire)

I see they are still living the delusion that CBT is an effective treatment. If they have used the PACE trial as 'proof' of this then the research should be retracted as should the PACE trial. I wish we could see their reference list.

There is are a few words missing from the Keyword list -- 'delusional bullshit'.

What a stupid title for a research study and "patients' view" should be changed to "researchers' view"
:bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::bang-head::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
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The CFS definition is quite broad, often misunderstood and could allude to a list of conditions of an almost astronomical number. One can wonder what underlying diagnosis they are refering to in the study.

To name a few: AIDS, MS, anemia, congestive heart failure, bronchitis, hypoglycemia, anorexia nervosa, cancer, hypothyroidism, depression, bubonic plague, congestive cardiomypathy, emphysema, ME, diabetes, vitamine deficiency, chronic kidney disease and so on..

I could see why their treatment would help those with depression at least, but the rest?