Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Firestormm, Jul 20, 2013.
Interesting that they are equating CFS with Vit D deficiency as if that were the only issue involved.
Interesting too that they consider 2000 IU a megadose...
Also an issue is that many with CFS test low for vitamin D, but have extremely high active vitamin D, according to KDM. So taking more vitamin D might make things worse. However the conflation of CF with CFS is typical of just how much research reporters do on this.
I guess this is what they are referring to. Can't seem to find another study Berkovitz performed:
UGH! She is Vitamin D deficient which is causing the symptom of Chronic Fatigue. She doesn't have CFS or ME unless she is experiencing more symptoms then just Fatigue.
The 2009 Berkovitz study is typical of what I suspect is going wrong. They test the wrong thing, and hence draw the wrong conclusions. If KDM is right, and conversion of vitamin D to the active form is being driven by inflammation, then low inactive vitamin D is a sign of inflammation and not deficiency.
Activated vitamin D is calcitriol, or 1,25-dihydroxycholecalciferol.
I've got <4 ng/mL of Vit D2 and 16 ng/mL of D3 and the total of 16 ng/mL is given as below the reference range of 30-100 ng/mL.
I'm supplementing with 2,000 iu of Vit d3 a day. I'm mostly housebound and get very little sun exposure.
Am I doing the right thing in supplementing?
Hi Sasha, I don't know, but then again neither does your doctor. D2 and D3 are forms of vitamin D that do not tell you what your active vitamin D status is. So you could be deficient and need supplementation, or you could have an excess. In ME, at least until the science around this is clarified, I think it prudent to also check calcitriol levels. I do not know, however, if taking more vitamin D will hurt you. I am still unclear on this point. Vitamin D toxicity is known, but its not considered common - but then they are not checking inflammatory disorders. Hypothetically it could result in hypercalcemia, but your doctor should have picked up on that. I have not heard of this in ME however, so I suspect something else is happening. Alex.
Thanks, Alex - argh... so much is unknown!
Taking vitamin D supplements makes me feel sleep deprived.
You think a medical certificate for CFS for the Senator will cut the mustard with her employers at the Hague?
I kinda thought 2000 IU was a little low also given how low she was. I do 5000 IU and double it when I have a bug (per Drs orders). My VitD has finally just reached the bottom of the range I usually test out now around 50-55, doctor wants it around 70.
Not unless they had 'the earth is not flat' epiphany regarding CFS related conditions.
How the heck did you find this article, such a needle in a haystack.
It's creating quite a stir this senator's health in her own country - I get all the alerts for CFS and ME off of Googly. Not known of such a high profile sufferer before; and I hadn't realised she was due to become a Judge at the Hague. Quite an accomplishment. Her CFS battle appears to have been going on for some time - but she fights back when she can like we all do. Some might say 'boom' and 'bust' but it's hard to quit until you are forced: something we can all probably associate with.
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alex3619, Is calcitriol the same thing as 1.25 OH Vitamin D?
Yes, I think so, see post 7.
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