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PEM Vs PENE

Discussion in 'Post-Exertional Malaise, Fatigue, and Crashes' started by lnester7, Jan 9, 2012.

  1. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

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    OK, so I am confused.

    What is the difference between PEM and PENE???

    TX!
    L
     
  2. Valentijn

    Valentijn Activity Level: 3

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    One has the widely despised word "malaise" in it. They both describe the same symptom of ME/CFS, but many people think "PENE" is a more accurate and precise name (myself included).
     
  3. bluesky

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    PEM is Post Exertional Malaise

    PENE is Post Exertional Neuroimmune Exhaustion from the ICC criteria:

    You can see the full text here:
    http://www.meassociation.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ICC-FOR-ME-October-2011.pdf
     
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  4. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

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    TX u all!

    So bad for the PENE name, my household speaks Spanish :( They need a name that I can use in public.
     
  5. bluesky

    bluesky

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    I'm afraid to ask......;)
     
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    svetoslav80 Senior Member

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    This disease doesn't have luck with its medical terms. First this stupid sounding Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, now PENE, which means penis in spanish, and I'm not sure if I should use it.
     
  7. Valentijn

    Valentijn Activity Level: 3

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    Yo tengo PENE? I can see how that could get confusing :p
     
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  8. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

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    Hehehehe. We tried to play with the word on how to use it, had a good laugh, no matter how much you try, there is no way you can take anything you say seriously with the word w/o having a sexual connotation.
     
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    ukxmrv Senior Member

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    I was told that it is also slang in Italian for penis if pronounced in a certain way.
     
  10. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    For those contemplating a sex change, the International Criteria just gave more than surgical options! ;)

    Sushi
     

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