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pathologising normality? BBC radio prog on new DSM

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by MeSci, Dec 6, 2015.

  1. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    Being Normal
    Jon Ronson On, Series 7 Episode 3 of 5

     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    That had me laughing out loud. I've definitely got that. Don't tell the shrinks :zippit:
     
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    This was great! I really enjoyed this. That's the thing about psychological labels. The possibilities are endless.
     
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    Snow Leopard Hibernating

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    What about "innate distrust of psychiatrists disorder"?
     
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    Invisible Woman Senior Member

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    Given the behaviour of some (in)famous psychs I would diagnose that as "sensible"
     
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    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    Modern day witch hunting, as said before
    you can make up ANY lunatic thing to fit the "demon possessed!" demand of these arseholes, yeesh

    Diabolus Maleficarum for the 21st century. not just a joke, it's gross criminality and those responsible should be in jail
     
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    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    I heard this when it was first on and really enjoyed it.
    Irony dying there, ladies and gentlemen.

    Also very good on this, for anyone who hasn't read it:
    http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/book-of-lamentations/
     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    I was wondering when they're going to invent "Unrealistically and Suspiciously Normal Disorder", just to make sure they've got everyone.
     
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    I'm interested if there are any like 'over-compliance towards medical professionals' where the patient fails to question or to research their own illness to verify the appropriateness of the diagnosis. That's probably seen as perfect in their eyes!
     
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    I know people who argue that the ADHD / ADD diagnosis is just a lot of nonsense, that that children with ADHD / ADD are just dreamy types, not inclined to pay attention. They say that ADHD / ADD is just creating an artificial diagnosis, and medicalizing a normal condition.


    Well, I can tell you, I struggled miserably throughout my years in higher education and universities in the 1980s, as a result of having an undiagnosed ADHD / ADD condition. In that era in the UK, few had heard of ADHD / ADD, and I don't think kids at school were routinely screened for such disorders. As a consequence, my ADHD / ADD went entirely untreated throughout my years in education, which left me at a significant disadvantage.


    When considering new psychological labels or conditions, the thing to bear in mind is whether the diagnosis and then treatment the condition can lead to improvements or benefits in the life of individuals who have it. If it can lead to improvements or benefits, then it is probably a good label.
     
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  11. MeSci

    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    I think that it is crucial to ask two particular questions:

    Is the behaviour causing problems?
    What might be the cause(s) of the behaviour?

    and in the case of a child:

    Is the child likely to grow out of the behaviour without intervention?

    I was sent to a child psychiatrist - can't remember exactly what for - but I have a vague memory of being asked what appeared to be some very stupid questions, such as possibly whether I was upset when my mother died.

    I think that they also interviewed me in the presence of my stepmother and/or father. If so, I would not have been able to tell them what the problems were, as they emanated largely from those very people, and those very people would mock and/or dismiss my honest answers.
     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    That's horrendous. What happens if I don't comply with treatment for my treatment non-compliance disorder? Do I then get treatment for non-compliance with treatment for non-compliance disorder disorder?
     
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    I heard that progrmme too - it strikes at the heart of the issue of what is meant by a 'mental disorder' and what is normal dysfunctional human behaviour? I agree with the title of this thread, it does seen to be ever increasingly pathologising human behavioiur. you Just have to listen to the news at all the mad crazy things going on in the world- peolle killing others in the most awful way- cruelty, bad and dysfunctional behaviour seems to part of the human ocndition.
     
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    Progress ......

    It used to be mainly women who wouldn't behave i.e. wouldn't marry someone they didn't want to, had an interest in someone they shouldn't, wouldn't follow the path dictated by their families, were at risk of causing a scandal or who were simply in the way who were locked up.

    At least they're not sexist anymore. Now everyone is fair game!
     
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    MeSci ME/CFS since 1995; activity level 6?

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    Good grief.

    The list includes:
    • Noncompliance with dietary regimen
    • Noncompliance with fluid volume management
    • Patient declines colonoscopy
    My comments:
    • Dietary advice from doctors tends to be very poor, at least in the UK.
    • Fluid volume management - I was put on fluid restriction last time I was in hospital, despite already being dehydrated. Result - severe constipation, which I had to treat myself with herbs from the garden as I was refused laxatives on being discharged from hospital.
    • Are colonoscopies not voluntary?!
    As for non-compliance with medication supposedly being hazardous - taking medication can be extremely hazardous, indeed lethal. It was a prescribed drug - taken as prescribed - that had put me in hospital.
     
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    Note so sure :)

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12901244

     
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    Big Brother is looming larger every minute.

    I wonder how many of the people who make up and use these diagnoses ever consider themselves to have these kinds of disorders? Or are they all perfectly mentally healthy because, well, they're them and that's the definition of mentally healthy, right? It's probably only the rest of us who don't do what they want (eat in a certain way, drink in a certain way, have a colonoscopy) who are disordered. :rolleyes:
     
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    Surfing the Internet according to psychiatry:

    When the psychiatrist is using the Internet it is called: Research.
    When the average person is using the Internet it is called: Using the Internet.
    When someone with medically unexplained illness is using the Internet it is called: Reinforcement of false illness beliefs.
     
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