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PARASITES and Chronic Illness...

Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by dannybex, Feb 8, 2010.

  1. velha508

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    Sunday,

    I've been on Freddd's full protocol since mid September. It has done wonderful things for my energy and brain fog and other neurological symptoms. Unfortunately, it hasn't taken care of my digestive issues. Thanks to the protocol I can tolerate a lot of things I might not have been able to - I had MCS 'like' symptoms prior to starting and those seem to have resolved.

    Dan,

    Thanks for starting this thread. I'm interested to learn what has worked for others and try somethings myself.

    Velha
  2. rainbow11

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    Dannybex,

    I believe you are examining a very important element to your health, parasites, and you are absolutely correct, that a "normal" stool sample is not very accurate or reliable at all.

    If you can find an iridologist in your area, they are very capable of "seeing" through your eyes, what areas of your body have parasitic involvement, and if they are competent in muscle testing, this would be a major plus. I have found this avenue of healing to be spot on!

    There is a Dr. Overman, you can find him on line, he has extensive knowledge in parasites, I have attended a few of his seminars. If you do a search for Precision Herbs, I believe you will find him.

    He also has an extensive line of herbal products to treat parasitic involvement, which are very effective. You might find this advantageous to check this out.

    rainbow
  3. Wayne

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    Hi Everybody,

    Lots of good information here. Thanks all for your replies.

    Just to throw a little bit more into the mix. I had a friend/ acquaintance several years ago who had severe ME/CFS/MCS. She eventually made her way to a detoxification clinic down in Texas to see whether it might help her.

    Part of their protocol was to have her do regular ionic foot baths. I think there's several different brands or kinds of ionic foot baths, but the one she used apparently triggered a dieoff of some of her parasitic infections which she was able to expel from her body.

    I heard this story through another friend of mine, who said that she just walked up to her door one day and shared what had happened. I remembered her being mostly bedridden up until that time.

    Just a sketchy story to be sure, but an interesting one nonetheless. I've also heard that coffee enemas can be very helpful in preventing and/or eliminating parasitic infections.

    Wayne
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    When I talked to the Doc yesterday, he said the gut and Richs methylation theory go hand in hand. Richs theory reminds me of a huge building where there are a millions of drain pipes underneath...that is our chemistry... our methylation system.....one pipe connecting with the other to drain the system. However in one office they keep putting tea leaves down the drain and it starts to back up with all kinds of gunk in the pipes.....the water is still getting away to the main sewer but slowly and the whole building plumbing system is now not flowing as well. Because of this, gunk is now building up in some pipes, all kinds of slime and bacteria are festering in the pipes......that is our body. Glutathione, the body scavenger, is like caustic soda is to pipes that breaks grease or like fast water pipe pressure that scours the side of the pipes to cleanse the system. Without this scouring process, pipes like our bodies, get sick and the whole process breaks down. Hence the bowel problems with digestion and fatigue. It becomes a whole body breakdown system...each part connecting with the next....we are the sum of our parts. Fatigue, I read in some of the protocol stuff, is the end result of an immune system reacting to a system overload.
  5. susan

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    When I talked to the Doc yesterday, he said the gut and Richs methylation theory go hand in hand. Richs theory reminds me of a huge building where there are a millions of drain pipes underneath...that is our chemistry... our methylation system.....one pipe connecting with the other to drain the system. However in one office they keep putting tea leaves down the drain and it starts to back up with all kinds of gunk in the pipes.....the water is still getting away to the main sewer but slowly and the whole building plumbing system is now not flowing as well. Because of this, gunk is now building up in some pipes, all kinds of slime and bacteria are festering in the pipes......that is our body. Glutathione, the body scavenger, is like caustic soda is to pipes that breaks grease or like fast water pipe pressure that scours the side of the pipes to cleanse the system. Without this scouring process, pipes like our bodies, get sick and the whole process breaks down. Hence the bowel problems, parasites of all kinds, problems with digestion and fatigue. It becomes a whole body breakdown system...each part connecting with the next....we are the sum of our parts. Fatigue, I read in some of the protocol stuff, is the end result of an immune system reacting to a system overload.
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    Hey Susan,

    Your analogy is so helpful to me. My mind works with metaphors and that gave me a picture I could understand.

    I haven't been following all the information on methylation and glutathione, but recently started taking Alpha Lipoic Acid because I think I remember it helping in this respect--Do you know about this? (I feel embarrassed that my memory deleted this file!)

    What I am always looking for is an inexpensive simple remedy that I can TRY to see if I get some improvement in a system before I try to understand a lot of scientific information, which may be partially speculative or different for different people anyway, and jump into a big protocol based on it....So if you, or Rich or another knows of something like ALA which might be a useful key for someone to try, let us know.

    Thanks!

    Cecelia
  7. susan

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    My Doc told me not to take it..specifically. Follow Fredds protocol if money is short......and the best Probiotics you can afford...preferably a Naturopath line.... take 2..... Something to kill parasites ...a very good herbal one like Humaworm.

    I take Mutiflora as well from Germany...1 a week but my friend has to take it evey second day...it makes the good form of ecoli. ...it is expensive.

    My friend also takes a general drug store worming treatment for hookworm. You could just try doing these these things one by one. Of course a Metametrix test is the best thing you can do , urine and stool. You can phone them to find some clinicain who orders their tests.... but they are expensive.
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    Hmm are we talking about the same person? 40 year old male?

    He told me that he did a lot of bowel cleansing partly because the humaworm backed him up and he was constipated. but he did say after colonics and bowel cleansing, the humaworm was what mainly did it for him.

    there are actually 2 others on a celiacs board that said that they still have celiacs but humaworm got rid of their SIBO.
    Itd be interesting to see how it works out. i ordered it but i'm terrified to do it because any herb i put in my body causes massive amounts of bloating and pain.
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    I did the Humaworm course 2 years ago and got some liver flukes out but the treatment was too harsh for me I felt and I was worse after.
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    It's the same person. I was just trying to say that he did a lot more than humanworm. I've talked to him on a the phone a couple of times and also corresponded via email and I've learned he's done a lot. For example bowel cleansing something like 270 days out of the year.

    SOmetimes when you read his story it sounds like he just did the humaworm, got out all that plaque and then was ont he way to wellness. But he's always been sure to make it clear to me that he cleansed hard for many months.

    He also juice fasted 3 days a a month and was juice fasting for 7 days when doing the humaworm that expelled the plaque.
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    wow that is pretty crazy. definitely not just the humaworm for him then. :)
  12. dannybex

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    sorry...

    Been meaning to get back to this thread for weeks.

    Thanks for all the suggestions -- not sure if I could handle the Humaworm or Paragone, but I could certainly have them tested, and see, and I'm sure they could be helpful for many people. Just that strong bitter or pungent herbs (which yes, are very good as antiparasiticals) can also be very drying, astringent, and personally, I'm dealing with very dry eyes, skin, etc., right now. But I appreciate the info!

    I was taking coconut oil, and have started to reintroduce that in small amounts. Forgot about caprylic acid...will look into that.

    Sunday -- where would one go about finding a parasitologist? A good one? :)

    Rainbow -- same question, except an iridologist? I've tried a lot of things, but that's one avenue I haven't traveled. I'll try to google Dr. Overman later...

    Wayne -- thanks for the interesting info on lyme and the mouth. Will keep that in mind. There's definitely a proven connection between chronic periondontal issues and parasites. Parasites are often mentioned as a contributor to TMJ. Would love to hear more about the ionic foot baths too...

    Susan -- thanks for all your information. I'll ask the doc about Metametrix vs. Meridan Valley, and also the IntestaClear. Not sure if I could handle the herbs, but will ask. And yes, probiotics can fight some intestinal parasites and of course crowd out the bad bugs, so thanks for bringing that up.

    Sushi -- a 'bowel scrape'? I'll ask about it...did you have to see a specialist for that? (That's a job I wouldn't mention at a party...or anywhere! :) )

    Thanks again for all the replies...sorry if I've missed anyone's.

    Would still be interested to hear if anyone's tried silver or diatomaceous earth for parasite infections.

    Dan
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    Someone told me that their doc told them to drink pine needle tea. This person was on lot of stuff and she got really good results with it. Google pine needle tea You Tube and a woman there shows you the tree and how to make it....good for everything.....and it can be FREE
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    Hm, interesting, I have heard of pine needle tea for various things (mostly respiratory) but not this. Certainly sounds worth a try - it would taste good, too.

    Dannybex, I'm sorry, I have no idea where one would look for a good parasitologist. Not being insured, I don't do doctors much. I just thought that, if you were seeing a parasitologist, it would be useful to know that the expertise seems to vary a lot. Sorry not to be more informative.
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    update...

    Finally got to a good doc about 3 weeks ago (already!) and will be doing the Metametrix GI Fx panel -- doc says it's by far the most accurate test out there. But have to stop all digestive supps for 2-3 days before doing the test, and have stayed on them as I've been trying to get my teeth cleaned, and wanted to be able to heal as well as possible...but the cleaning keeps getting cancelled. (2 weeks ago I got a bad sinus infection (whoo-hoo!) and then 3 days ago we went back...and 5 minutes before my appt, the POWER went out...the entire office went dark.

    oy........

    Anyway, will try to report results in a couple of weeks. Doctor is certain that parasites are a big issue for me (from my history, and also through ART (Klinghardt) testing).

    d.
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    I have heard that Dr. Cheney has in the past (I don’t know if he still does) used a 1-2 week course of nitazoxinide (alinia) as a gut-pathogen-eliminator of choice. The wiki page says it’s an anti-protozoa drug, but may also help regarding worms. I don’t know the details regarding why Cheney was using it. I was wondering if any of you guys had ever heard of it? I was thinking about trying it, but am ambivalent…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitazoxanide
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    Hey Danny,

    is there any update regarding the test? parasites? yeast? etc.

    I just recently found out through an insane amount of day and night research that metametrix seems to be the only lab that does DNA testing so IDing and bacterial count is accurate, unlike 99% of the labs out there that use culturing methods which are inaccurate when it comes to anaerobic bacteria. I just sent in my GI fx test last week and hope to hear from them soon.
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    sorry for the delay....

    Yes...the metametrix test came back positive for mycoplasma and streptomyces infections (which the doc said are 'stealing my nutrients'), but no yeast/fungal issues this time, and actually some 'okay' levels of 'good' bacteria. Oh...and yes, they did find an unnamed parasite, "taxonomy unavailable". From the report: "A Taxonomy unavailable finding likely indicates an ingested protozoan and not a human parasite. It does not indicate treatment unless patient symptoms and other inflammatory markers are consistent with parasite infection."

    Doc has me on beta-glucan, plus 3 different types of probiotics -- high dose. Haven't been able to go back yet as I'm currently out of $$. :(
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    3 types of probiotics? geez, what are the names? seems like overkill. I personally cant tolerate 99% of probiotics out there. the ones i was able to tolerate are culturelle and align and even then a dose higher than 80% of one capsule will constipate me. no idea why.

    did he give you any natural herbals or antibacterials for the infections?

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