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Panic attacks and CO2

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by liverock, Nov 28, 2009.

  1. liverock

    liverock Senior Member

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    This study points out how increased blood levels of CO2 can be at the basis of the 'flight or fight response' in panic attacks.

    I have often thought that CFS sufferers are mainly 'shallow breathers' due to our lower activity levels. This can increase CO2 blood levels and could explain some of the 'flight and fight' symptoms, of which the panic attack is the ultimate response.

    We take deep breaths as a natural response to panic attacks and this lowers CO2 levels and lowers the symptoms.

    Regular breathing exercises every day I find helps to keep CO2 levels lower throughout the day and this cuts down on the number of 'flight and fight' symptoms.


     
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  2. Alice Band

    Alice Band PWME - ME by Ramsay

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    Hi Liverock,

    I've had my breathing tested and there was no sig of shallow breathing or CO2 problems. The tests involved being connected to a machine that tests the breath and then blood tests.

    I also don't have panic attacks. Might be a ME thing or even a me thing. No idea. as I'm an old timer survivor from an acute viral outbreak.

    Also fit the criteria for CFS CDC and Canadian.

    Just wanted to say that not all people with these conditions have breathing problems or are shallow breathers.

    Not meaning anything derogatory about people with CFS who have this symptom. We are all different.
     
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    shallow breathing

    I am a shallow breather.....adrenalin running all the time as a result. did Buteyko breathing for a good while and it helped a lot. Putting tape across my mouth at night was good also to train me. Was inhaling 23 breaths a minute.....now 12. I think shallow breathing is a big issue with CFS and many people dont realize it.....I did not till it was pointed out to me.
     
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    The breathless involved in CFS can be easily explained. Excessive sympathetic overactivity results in an increase in chemoreceptor sensitivity and a decrease in baroreflex sensitivity. And the result is postural hypocapnia and cerebral vasoconstriction, POTS and anxiety.
     
  5. And lowered oxygen saturation.

    And weak diaphram muscles (due to very low ATP) leading to systemic muscle weakness.

    And chronic mast cell activation.

    And changes in pulmonary circulation.

    Etc....;)
     
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    i have been doing buteyko breathing exercises again in this severe crash i am in. while mouth taping is helping greatly with hyperventilation at night i am starti g to think that i have been oxygen depriving myself with the shallow reduced breathing and pauses at the end of exhalation that i have been doing. perhaps i am reduci g my breathing too much b/c i am misunderstanding buteyko or perhaps it is unhelpful.


    anyone else find that deep relaxed breathing is better than or a necessary adjunct to buteyko?
     
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    I just want to add to my comment, I have tried it and found it useful for a while in 2009. But I have been through some changes since then and now I feel a sense of panic when I get down into the trace state in a meditation or deep into reduced breathing with buteyko. I think this probably has something to do with potassium and sodium and perhaps magnesium. Its not a perfect relationship, but I tend to get palpitations when I have low O2 concentrations as measured by a pulse oximeter, these tend to be resolved by taking salt and potassium, my %O2 also increases following a MgSO4 footbath but it happens more slowly. I seem to have some issues with using/retaining potassium probably adrenal issues (the adrenal glands control the concentrations of these minerals) but it could also be the pituitary etc etc. The thing is that these things lead to changes in the pH of the blood which feeds into oxygenation and CO2 concentration, and buteyko changes the CO2 concentration and my sense of panic is probably related to this whole mess. I know that Constantine Buteyko was a major fan of having a lot of salt, in the classes I took nutrition was as important as the exercises and it might just be that I am too far away from health to be able to do it at the moment.

    I last made a good attempt at it in december and January using the site I linked to, I found it to be particularly good at explaining the concepts and I think that it is worth trying; but I suggest that you remember to listen to your body too.

    I hope to try it again when I get the electrolytes under control.
     

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