The PACE thread has become a bit unwieldly so I'm starting a sub-thread just to look at the issue of Control and Comparison groups used in the study i.e SMC and APT. The PACE protocol describes the study as 'controlled' trial yet the final paper talks about 'comparison' of different treatments and carefully avoids ever using the phrase 'control group'. It formally compares GET and CBT with both SMC and APT. Some of the latest posts on the PACE thread will be relevant to this discussion too. I'll be posting on at least 3 relevant studies, as I have the energy. Hope no one objects to this approach.