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PACE study and the Lancet: Journal reputation is a two-way street

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Simon, Jan 5, 2016.

  1. Simon

    Simon

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    Columbia Uni prof and Good Science advocate Andrew Gelman wonders how the Lancet could get things so wrong, and how when they did, everyone believed them.

    PACE study and the Lancet: Journal reputation is a two-way street - Statistical Modeling, Causal Inference, and Social Science

    Read the full blog
     
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    dancer Senior Member

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    What a terrific article...and I loved that he added the info about the disparaged PACE trial in the Lancet's wikipedia entry. I love that voices outside the ME&CFS community are speaking out.
     
  3. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    Yep.
     
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  4. Marco

    Marco Grrrrrrr!

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    Worth preserving his edit of the Wiki page for The lancet (under controversies) for posterity :

    Imagine having that on your CV :nervous:
     
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  5. Invisible Woman

    Invisible Woman Senior Member

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    saves them the effort of actually thinking ....
     
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  6. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    Good to see. But why is he asking the question? I told him the answer in the comments so maybe that will come up after moderation. Surely he can see that the study is flawed? As someone else said, I think reviewers ARE there to pick up flaws and the fact that they did not is not simply a matter of bad luck.
     
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  7. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    I think this is your comment (and he replies):

    http://andrewgelman.com/2016/01/05/...eputation-is-a-two-way-street/#comment-257533
     
  8. Kati

    Kati Patient in training

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    Great blogpost and I also enjoyed reading the great comments at the end of Andrew's post. We are lucky to have him on our side, on top of James Coyne, David Tuller, Carolyn Wilshire, you, @Jonathan Edwards and there are more I am sure.

    We are surely building momentum :)
     
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  9. Roy S

    Roy S former DC ME/CFS lobbyist

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    Andrew Gelman wrote:

    "I got interested because a friend has been sick for 20+ years and he nudged me to look into PACE."

    He is another person interested in this disease because of having a friend with it for a very long time. I wish we had many more.
     
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  10. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    He is talking about David Tuller:
     
  11. Snowdrop

    Snowdrop Rebel without a biscuit

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    Roy S former DC ME/CFS lobbyist

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    Thanks, my mistake.
     
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  13. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    I get your point. I am always a little saddened that most researchers only take an interest when they have someone personal involved. But I guess this is just how the world works. As ME becomes more respectable and maybe even prestigious to research, I suspect many researchers will take an interest for career reasons.
     
  14. Simon

    Simon

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    details here:
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    One other comment caught my eye
    In reply to Leveleller January 5, 2016 at 2:31 pm
     
  15. Jonathan Edwards

    Jonathan Edwards "Gibberish"

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    That's torn it.
     
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  16. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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  17. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    Right, don't feed him after midnight.
     
  18. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    Oh, I think we should
     
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  19. Cheshire

    Cheshire Senior Member

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    Yes, we'd be invaded with countless little nightmarish "@Jonathan Edwards " pursuing the PACE team with endless questions about their methodology.
     
  20. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member

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    Marco, I don't see that change on the page, perhaps its been reverted. Do you know what username Gelman used to edit? Also, there are a few pages that discuss PACE, I might be looking at the wrong one.
     

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