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Ozone Therapy

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by mojoey, Jul 30, 2009.

  1. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Yes, this did help but rectal insufflation helped even more.

    Sushi
     
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    Hip Senior Member

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    I would be concerned about rectal insufflation of zone, as this study found that this caused microscopic colitis.

    If you have an ozone generator machine, I'd be very interested in hearing your verdict on the ozonated-water-on-skin method I described just above on this thread. I have a feeling that this might be just as potent as full body bag ozone therapy. But only someone who has tried the full body bag treatment would be able to compare.
     
  3. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    I no longer have my ozone generator but I did do the ozonated-water-on-skin method. I found the body bag method much more effective.

    I looked at the study you linked above about rectal ozone. I used a different technique, a few seconds of ozone gas given rectally without water. I did not have problems. I don't remember how often we were instructed to do this.

    Sushi
     
  4. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    That's interesting. Did you actually use highly ozonated water (ie, use just a small 30 ml amount of water, but bubble the ozone through for 5 to 10 minutes, so that it is really saturated with ozone)? And then apply this 30 ml of water over the entire body skin area, to make use of as much skin surface area as possible? This is preferably done after a bath or shower, when you skin I think will be more absorbent.

    I got noticeable effects from this method, but if your experience is that the body bag method works much better, perhaps I ought to try that body bag method myself.
     
  5. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    I used:

    1) an ozone "sauna"
    2) the body bag (ties at wrist, neck and at bottom of bag. (it has wide sleeves)
    3) an ozonated bath (ozone bubbled in before entered bath)
    4) rectal insufflation

    I had the most effects from rectal and second most from the body bag

    Sushi
     
  6. Hip

    Hip Senior Member

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    You have certainly tried many options!

    Your number (3) option, the ozonated bath: I don't think you will be able to get high enough concentrations of ozone in the bath water. Ozone has a very short half life in hot water — the half life of ozone in water at 35ºC is only eight minutes (ref: 1), so even as you are bubbling the ozone into hot bath water, you are simultaneously losing much of it. Also, because there is so much water in a bath, what ozone that does remain in the water is very diluted. Though I have not tried this bath method myself, so I have no first hand experience of it.
     
  7. kisekishiawase

    kisekishiawase sad

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    @Sushi oh i see.. ive tried both but i didnt really noticed or cant noticed anything though but i google about it and came across some controversy which confused me. some said ozone should be mix with saline. also the issue with the bag they said its not resistant to ozone. but im confused since the minor therapy usually used injection tube but they said its ok. isnt the material also not resistant to ozone.
    anyway what effect/help did u noticed?
    im interested in the ozone water since my digestive has issues.

    however with the major ozone therapy where they need to drawn out my blood. my blood is hard/very little to come out even though i already get the saline before :( i dont know if its because low bp or other thing. or hematology problem

    @Hip i read that rectal ozone to be save and also help with digestive :eek:
     
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  8. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Actually IV hydrogen peroxide gave more dramatic help than ozone though ozone was very good for maintenance. The whole program allowed me to live a "normal life" for a few years. I doubt that ozone itself would have had so much effect though.

    Best,
    Sushi
     
  9. kisekishiawase

    kisekishiawase sad

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    hmm theres no h2o2 that i can find here :( what about h2o2 from ozone therapy?


    anyway anyone knows more info or experience ozone water therapy? theres a clinic here providing there and im interested but still wondering about the effect
     
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  10. mtnbibliophile

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    Hip, re your easy ozone technique: can you tell me how bad the die-off effects are? I am so weak and sick now (I have leukemia on top of my ME) that I cannot tolerate a full-fledged die-off or Herx reaction.
     
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    Hip Senior Member

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    HI mtnbibliophile.

    I did not experience any die off effects at all with the easy ozone technique; but of course we are all different, so if you are in a weak state right now, you might want to begin slowly, just to be cautious.

    What you could do is initially just apply the ozone water to a small part of your body (say just to your arms for example), so that you transdermally absorb a lot less ozone into your bloodstream. Then if that works out OK, the next day you can try applying the ozone water to a larger skin area, say to both your legs. If that is OK, then finally you can apply to all the skin area of your whole body, head to toe.

    The more skin area of your body that you splash the ozone water on to, the more ozone gets absorbed into you bloodstream. So in this way you can control the ozone dose.

    Note: I have just updated my easy ozone technique post, so you may want to re-read it.
     
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  12. mtnbibliophile

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    Thanks, will try soon.
     

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