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(OT?) "Psychiatry during the Nazi era: ethical lessons for the modern professional"

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Dolphin, Jan 10, 2010.

  1. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Somebody posted this on another forum I'm on.

    I don't think it is really that important but might be of interest to the odd person.

    As well as being somewhat interesting on the role of psychiatry in society, it clarified medical ethics a bit (I didn't know a lot about it but can see why strict rules in research are important).

    Full free text at: http://www.annals-general-psychiatry.com/content/6/1/8

    I see there is one commenter who thinks the author was too soft on the psychiatrists and complains about those in schools of clinical psychiatry and psychology!
  2. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    Although an extreme view, I have found reading some of what Thomas Szasz says about psychiatry interesting:
    http://www.szasz.com/manifesto.html
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    It is interesting how with ME/CFS, psychiatry has got intermingled with the State particularly in some countries e.g. the UK. For example, psychiatrists promote the view that GET and CBT based on GET can give patients back the ability to work, and one can see from boards they have been involved in, they promote the view that State benefits shouldn't really be given long-term and/or can impair recovery. Proponents of other therapies such as (non-psychiatric) drug therapies seem less inclined to get involved in such areas.
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    Current practices regarding ME in the UK, and the use of psychiatry in the Nazi era, remind me of the punitive psychiatry in the Gulag Archipelago. If memory serves me correctly, it was the intellectuals who were branded mentally ill in that scenario. Governments calling somebody crazy to discredit their truth seems to be a trick that has been around for a long time.
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    I have a quote from an ex-psychiatrist, which caught my eye (I don't recall his name).

    "I am no longer a psychiatrist. I renounce it because I believe cruelty is at the core of the profession. I believe that there is something inherent in the profession that tends to bring out any cruelty lurking within."

    C.G.
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    I'm not sure but I think it was richardson
  6. Dr. Yes

    Dr. Yes Shame on You

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    Hey guys,

    That quote is by John Diamond, a former psychiatrist, from his book "Facets of a Diamond".
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    Hi Dr. Yes.

    Absolutely right, Dr. Yes! Just testing. :D :Retro smile:
  8. muffin

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    Always exceptions but...

    I have long thought that shrinks were nuts and went into psychiatry/psychology to better understand their own issues. THEN, one actually TOLD me that was why he went into psychiatry!

    When my husband was first sick five years ago, and not sleeping, I took him to about 8 different shrinks. Only one of them was a decent and normal person and really did want to help him with sleep issues (the start of his CFIDS subset that I gave him). The rest were nuttier than the rest of the general public. Sounds mean, not a big number of shrinks for me to make that assessment, BUT, some of those people were really scary!! One shrink was trying to place my husband's sleep problems on ME!!! The guy had issues with women and his mother in particular, so, off he went to push his theory that my husband was mad at his dead mother and at his "controlling" wife - that would be me, the sick woman who ran him all over the place to every doctor I could get him to - all the while falling asleep in every doctor's office due to my own CFIDS. And I am still mad at some of those "doctors" - my husband was physically sick!

    A topic I should NOT be allowed to go near, obviously....

    Calling someone crazy, especially when that person is a female, is the easiest way to damn that person and people believe it without question. Using insanity as a means to control a population and put the "troublemakers" away has been used in the Soviet Union, East Germany, and all the other state controlled states. So Reeves and Wessely knew this and picked crazy and psychiatric issues as a way to destroy a patient and keep other doctors from trying to deal with those sick people. And that is what happened with CFIDS. Any doctor who treated the nutty CFIDS people was a quack themselves. And it worked quite well for three decades - but it isn't working anymore, not with the huge amount of valid research out there and the Internet and it's ability to level the knowledge playing field. No longer do we have to believe and trust any expert when we can jump on the Internet, Google for the information and become almost expert in any issue - if we spend enough time and energy learning and reading. Many of you guys are a perfect example of knowing more about CFIDS/ME and the whole virus stuff than most doctors do - and that includes the ones that concentrated in those areas.

    Oh my. Rambling again... :ashamed:
  9. Dolphin

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    ECT may not be the best example as there are probably pros and cons but it appears from this letter in the Irish Times that Dr. Barry is saying that getting a treatment that is "effective" is a human right and giving treatment without their consent is acceptable.
    I get the impression that some UK psychiatrists see that ME/CFS would also qualify and that GET and CBT based on GET should be a bit more than simply voluntary choices.
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    Cliched as it is I have known some good psychologists and psychiatrists. Mental diseases occur and are dreadful for sufferers.

    What is needed is balances and checks to keep the profession and practices from becoming skewed. They should acknowledge the mistakes that have been made - epilepsy as hysteria, autism and refrigerator mothers instead of assuming that it is all in the past and things are great now.

    The mental health profession must admit that it is open to abuse and safeguards must be put in place.

    Reflective practice is the keynote of modern nursing and it should be used at all levels of medicine. I don't really know the answer but something must be done.

    The arrogance and disdain for their patients found in the profession is breathtaking.

    Mithriel

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