1. Patients launch $1.27 million crowdfunding campaign for ME/CFS gut microbiome study.
    Check out the website, Facebook and Twitter. Join in donate and spread the word!
Nitric oxide and its possible implication in ME/CFS (Part 2 of 2)
Andrew Gladman explores the current and historic hypotheses relating to nitric oxide problems in ME/CFS. This second article in a 2-Part series puts nitric oxide under the microscope and explores what it is, what it does and why it is so frequently discussed in the world of ME/CFS....
Discuss the article on the Forums.
  1. slayadragon

    slayadragon Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,091
    Likes:
    378
    twitpic.com/photos/SlayaDragon
    I certainly think that if people are getting a lot of environmental toxin exposures (e.g. by living in a house with a lot of mold toxin or in an area with really problematic outdoor air), reducing or even eliminating toxins in the diet is likely not to provide much of a noticeable difference.

    Undoubtedly it's only because I'm in a really clean environment that the elimination of dietary toxins made such a difference.

    GMO labeling was defeated in California, but there now are ballot initiatives getting close in Washington and NM. This WSJ article makes it seem that Monsanto actually is going to end up negotiating it too.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323644904578272152056196778.html

    My belief is that while avoiding non-organic produce is important, that is much less important than avoiding the toxins in Roundup contaminated things (which would be soy, corn, alfalfa, sorghum, canola and sugar beet -- or the flesh or milk of any animal that ate these things, e.g. all non-organic milk and meat). A lot of the pesticides in produce can be washed off, whereas the contamination of grain and milk/meat obviously cannot. (Though sprouting/soaking grain is generally a good thing.)

    If I were thinking about putting some extra money toward less toxic food, I for sure would start with organic grains since those are pretty cheap and are really problematic when non-organic. Then I would do milk (still pretty cheap) and for sure eggs (which are really scary when non-organic and also pretty cheap). I don't think it's a good idea for CFS patients to eliminate all meat from their diets, but cutting way back and just eating organic (not humanely treated! that's not the same thing and in my opinion is a diversion to keep people from focusing on the real problem) may still be worth it. For produce, organic is pretty cheap at farmer's markets in summer. But if I found that I couldn't afford it, I would buy non-organic and then wash it really well using soap (diluted Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap, unscented).
  2. slayadragon

    slayadragon Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,091
    Likes:
    378
    twitpic.com/photos/SlayaDragon
  3. caledonia

    caledonia

    Messages:
    2,877
    Likes:
    1,479
    Cincinnati, OH, USA
    We recently did a taste test of these type of hot dogs, as my BF has been on a hot dog kick for quite awhile and I've been trying to improve his diet. Anyway, he thought Applegate was tasteless and ate them only because there was nothing else to eat. However, he thought the Trader Joe's dogs were quite good. His favorites from the normal brands are Johnsonville or Nathan's, so if you know those brands, that's high praise.

    I've also tried out nitrate free bacon, and Applegate was again a tasteless loser.

    But anyway, good tasting nitrate free organic grassfed alternatives do exist; it's just not Applegate.
    slayadragon likes this.
  4. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,015
    Likes:
    419
    United States
    According to this person, even if a product is organic it doesn't necessarily mean it's non-GMO

    http://blogcritics.org/tastes/article/can-gmo-food-be-organic/
  5. golden

    golden Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,831
    Likes:
    1,071
    Clear Light
    If you buy 'Organic' produce from the supermarket, I seem to recall it means it contains only 5 pesticides!!! (echoes of 'science' here too)

    Plus plastic wrapped produce is bad.

    I am so glad I read this thread. I have been subtely pushed into supplements when I knew it wasnt for me.
    (edit : not by PR but by my well meaning perrin practitioner/naturopath and advice from a Doctor)

    When I was at my best was from a organic macrobiotic diet. All veg tasted bitter to me that wasnt properly organic - the bitter was the pesticide - as is the lack of flavour in the produce from the bad farming methods.

    I grew up doused in pesticides being surrounded by farmers fields. One year the plane overshot and my garden was drowned in a red powder!
  6. golden

    golden Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,831
    Likes:
    1,071
    Clear Light
  7. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,015
    Likes:
    419
    United States
    Paradise Herbs, Frontier, Eclectic Institute, Madre Labs, Navitas Naturals and Herb Pharm all sell a lot of organic/wildcrafted products. Some of these brands do have some products that aren't organic so read the label.
    golden likes this.

See more popular forum discussions.

Share This Page