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Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by neweimear, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Sorry, but what? What`s a false ME-diagnosis?
     
  2. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    If you think infections like Lyme, EBV and other conditions like SIBO/leaky gut are irrelevant and ''anecdotes'', it's you who are acting like a PACE-author.

    If you say that treating those conditions are not proven to treat ME, I will have to agree with you.
     
  3. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Nope, again, you would have to prove that they were dishonest. It is kind of surprising that someone who studied law does not understand this.
     
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    A.B. Senior Member

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    When I said his treatment made me worse he got angry, told me he is an expert and if I didn't believe in him that I should find another doctor (don't remember exact words due to memory issues but that was the gist of it). I was scared by my worsening of symptoms and the lack of alternatives and went along with that, and continued to see him for a while. Well at least I tried, but he took five months to send me another treatment recommendation for more antibiotics when I told him I didn't want any more antibiotics.

    He seems to be unaware that he is harming patients, or doesn't care. Reminds me of the PACE authors.
     
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  5. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Literally facepalming so hard now. The physician has to have at least some peripheral reason for prescribing drugs, if he says it works without so, then yeah, that`s dishonest. Anyhow I am not suing KDM, a point you seem to completely miss. We`re not talking about if it`s possible to take him to court. Jeez.
     
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  6. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Lmao, did i even touch on those diseases? Stop. The topic is unwarranted drug prescriptions
     
  7. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    And btw, in Norway physicians have indeed been found guilty of wrongful practice for prescribing drugs off-label on a grand scale, outside of research-based treatment.
     
  8. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Ok, let me spell it out for you. The distinction I was really hoping you would understand, but which you somehow failed to, is between dishonesty and incompetence. If you prove that a particular doctor is harming his patients, you would then have to prove that it was a case of a.) rather than b.) for them to be a crook. I think I will start charging you for law lessons as well.
     
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  9. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    I´m guessing you weren´t the prosecutor.
     
  10. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Thanks, but your the last person I would ever consult for anything. For your information, it`s not relevant if patients were harmed or not, as in Norway the principle is that experimental treatment has to be given in studies, unless the patients are actually dying. And for the last time, I am not suing KDM, I`m pointing out that he`s a crook. I dont give two cents about your layman understanding of the law
     
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  11. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Provide the evidence he`s supposed to base his prescriptions on.
     
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  12. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Provide the evidence that he is a crook in the English meaning of the word, as I asked you to several pages ago, and which you have completely failed to do so far. I never addressed the evidence base for his prescriptions in my replies to your posts, so if you just admit you don´t have any evidence for your claim I will relent and you can debate the evidence base with anyone who cares to do so.
     
  13. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    By definition it`s dishonest to claim something works without evidence, especially as a physician. If any studies would support his claims, I would change my mind, but they don`t exist. Feel free to continue with your wrongful semantics, though your`e not convincing anyone but yourself.
     
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    msf Senior Member

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    Okay, one more time: YOU NEED TO PROVE THAT HE BELIEVES THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR HIS TREATMENTS. Now, a particular doctor may believe there is evidence when there actually isn´t, which as we said before, wouldn´t be dishonest, but incompetent.
     
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  15. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Give me the evidence.

    No?

    Thought so.
     
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    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    Unfortunately, once again a moderator should intervene on a topic dedicated to KDM.

    Oh wait... There's no moderators anymore :confused:
     
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  17. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    A moderator should intervene because someone disagrees with you. Right.
     
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    I'm not speaking about me. I didn't agree with you and you with me but we only talked about KDM & his approach.

    On the other hand, your discussion with msf was way off-topic (from both parts I should say)

    Keep cool. Don't need to be so rude.
     
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  19. unicorn7

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    I went from moderate to mild after his treatment.

    Unfortunately, I overdid it bigtime (went on active holiday, went skiing, started working out, working three days a week etc), so I relapsed pretty bad.
     
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  20. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Oh please.
     
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