Invest in ME Conference 12: First Class in Every Way
OverTheHills wraps up our series of articles on this year's 12th Invest in ME International Conference (IIMEC12) in London with some reflections on her experience as a patient attending the conference for the first time.
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Discussion in 'The Gut: De Meirleir & Maes; H2S; Leaky Gut' started by neweimear, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. justy

    justy Donate Advocate Demonstrate

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    I would suggest @Marky90 that your comments may be libellous and PR is in fact legally bound to disallow defamation on its boards.
     
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  2. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    So he makes no money?.. Smh.. Either way it`s not my issue, it`s charging so much without any foundation that`s not right.
     
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  3. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    How exactly do you "find" leaky gut?
     
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  4. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    That`s ridiculous Justy.
     
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  5. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    crook
    kro͝ok/
    noun
    noun: crook; plural noun: crooks
    2
    .
    informal
    a person who is dishonest or a criminal.


    You have completely failed to prove either.
     
  6. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Welp.. Since you bring it up, i actually have a law degree. And in Norway you cant sue people for being rational
     
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  7. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    By blood & stool tests that are irrelevant in your opinion because it's KDM that ordered them...
     
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  8. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Really.. He says something works without data. That is simply dishonest from a physician.
     
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  9. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    You`re putting words in my mouth. What in the tests proves the proclaimed "leaky gut"
     
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  10. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    You also dismiss something very important. I don't need to tell how vague CFS diagnosis is, and how it's difficult to know if someone has ME or not. Many people go to KDM with a ''CFS'' diagnosis, and then he finds an infection and treat them.

    I can't tell if they had ME in the first place. Maybe not. But they are pretty happy about going there while no other Doctor wanted to treat them and being healthy again.
     
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  11. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Well, I´m an English teacher, and I do not like people using words wrong. I will forgive you though, as you are not a native speaker.
     
  12. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    Zonulin test for exemple
     
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  13. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Ok, you´re going to have to start paying for these English lessons soon. That would only make him dishonest if he knew that he wasn´t helping the patients. And you have to prove that (please look up any troublesome words in the dictionary).
     
  14. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    I`ve dismissed that? Actually I am very aware of that. Nonetheless anecdotes are nothing more than anecdotes. You`re free to go to KDM, as much as you`re free to be healed over telephone services
     
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  15. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    Where is the anecdote? That's pretty important IMO.
    It's also a big argument for those who don't believe in KDM treatment for ME : they didn't have ME in the first place. I'm unable to answer.
     
  16. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    It does not matter what he thinks he does, in a professional setting what matters is no data.
     
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  17. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Where is the anecdote? Err, well from you and MSF for example?

    Patients not getting response from KDM does not have ME? Please enlighten me, it sounds very much like what certain PACE-authors would assume
     
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  18. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    Nope, you can´t just make up the meanings of words like that. I would not do that in Norwegian, so please extend the same courtesy to my own language.
     
  19. dadouv47

    dadouv47 Senior Member

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    I said the opposite. Most people who don't believe in KDM think he can cure someone when that person doesn't really have ME (and had a false diagnosis). There's no evidence of either side so I can't tell.
     
  20. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

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    Yeah ok, so physicians claiming meds have effect without evidence is not dishonest. Seems I`m not the one with a lack of understanding of definitions here.
     
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