Discussion in 'General Treatment' started by Wayne, Dec 13, 2013.
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HCL levels are influenced by cortisol.
That's how stress and adrenal health play directly into all the important things you state.
Weird tidbit: up to the 1970's there was this tonic lots of people used, Julapium. For all kinds of ailments. All it does is acidify the stomach acid. It works. It saved my bacon when I got bedridden in 2008. I didn't have a clue but knew I made no bile and that this is linked to stomach's pH. My old doctor knew an old pharmacist who knew the recipe. And my healing began.
Nowadays we pop lots of pills for heartburn, lowering the stomach acidity even more...
Many years ago when my mother was advancing in age, her doctor told her it would be a good idea to take Fosamax to prevent bone loss. My mother told him she didn't want to take a prescription drug, so he told her to start chewing on TUMs to add calcium to her diet. She went along with that, and began to have terrible stomach and other GI problems. When I visited one weekend, we managed to connect the dots, and she went off the TUMs. Her problems cleared up shortly afterwards. Foxamax could have been even worse. It makes bones extremely brittle after only a a few short years, leading to major fractures from doing virtually nothing. --- So many doctors are just plain nuts!
Couldn't find the tonic you were talking about, the closest thing to it is Mint Julep, if you acidify the stomach that will produce more bile acids, your gut takes its signal from there.
It's a 5% solution of hydrochloric acid (HCl) with some poppyflower oil (and sugar) added to help it go down. It's a liquid in a brown bottle. Made of food grade HCl, not the household kind.
You take a little swallow after a meal. Don't swish around the mouth, it will dissolve the tooth enamel, I think.
In later prescriptions I asked them to take out the sugar because I didn't need it.
if you have low levels of taurine you shud just jump a reaction step and take bile salts with your meals. Besides other functions, that is what most taurine end up as and bile is CRITICAL to your gut health and by induction your immune health.
Thanks! I have some in my "pharmacy" that I forgot about. I'll dig it up and start taking it again.
@undcvr, I think woolpipi meant "lower" in the sense of "less acid" rather than a lower ph number.
I don't want to put an undue damper on things, but I ran across a pretty sobering thread a few weeks ago on CureZone as I was researching liver/gb issues. It was written by a man who had a truly horrendous experience with bile acids (not sure if they're the same as bile salts). I would imagine something like what he experienced is rare, but it's an example of how seemingly benign substances can sometimes turn out to be devastating for some people. Perhaps an example of how we should always listen to our bodies for any sign of danger. --- Here's a link to that thread:
Desperate and need help... (liver/gallbladder)
I would recommend reading the part where he thought he was in the clear after a couple of weeks of stopping the bile acids. It was at this time when he accidentally took a single bile acids capsule that began his terrible experience.
Just finished reading the link, I am somewhat aware of this and that was why I only recommend it to Leela when I read that she is low on Taurine. Taurine is needed to make bile salts and you shud only take bile salts if your body does not make alot of it. Glycine and Taurine are conjugated into bile acids for the liver's phase 2 detoxification step. Also another note about your link is that sadpanda did not say that he had low bile acids to begin with or that his taurine levels were low.
Contrast your link to this link tho: http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james63.htm
and the picture isn't so clear cut for this supplement.
There is a bunch of pple out that that cholagogues just don't work and they need the real thing. I take the same bile acids from Jarrows too but I take it on an empty stomach. The reasoning here is that I don't really want it to be absorbed into my body, just bind to stuff and then leave my body.
Thank you for your genuine concern @Wayne. I should clarify that I have the bile salts on hand because they were advised by a nutrigenomics doctor who had assessed all my labs and my genetic info.
I did not realise they were linked to taurine (or had forgotten--I'm exceedingly forgetful these days) and as a vegetarian I try to limit the animal products wherever possible. I had made an exception there b/c digestion was so difficult, but was eager to stop them, not realising they could also aid in the production of taurine, which itself can be low due to veg diet!
You can get vegetarian (and vegan) taurine, for example here.
I don't know if there's a veggie equivalent to bile salts/acids.
Did you work this out?
Yes, but I am really uncomfortable sharing what happened. Sorry, as I brought this up.
I guess I don't understand why this young man kept doing the liver flushes. Anything relating to ridding toxins unfortunately, also flushes all the good stuff that are needed by your body. Colonics mess up your intestinal system.
All because he doesn't want his gallbladder taken out? While he truely might not need this, all the stuff he is taking COULD be making him sick. To ignore this with the polyp, high ALT is frankly, IMHO playing with fire.
Sorry for the rant but Ignoring symptoms and self medicating can be dangerous.
I just had a friend who died of liver cancer in November. It was horrible. Her liver enzymes had been elevated a year before the cancer actually showed up.
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