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Oil Pulling (Ayurvedic Technique) for Oral and Sinus Issues...

Bob

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BBC News article:
Coconut oil could combat tooth decay
BBC News 3 September 2012
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19435442


This article describes research in which coconut oil, broken down with enzymes, was found to reduce oral bacteria, and fungal growth.
It looks like they might have had oil pulling in mind for this research.
I should think that any oil might get broken down a bit with the enzymes in saliva, when doing oil pulling.
 

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I was beaten to putting up the coconut story.
A point here is that coconut oil is anti-inflammatory. It contains monolauren. (as does colostrum which is a component of the MAF314 and MAF878)
It seems to be active against gram positive bacteria, H. pylori http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16010969
an interesting use is in this link
http://www.advancedhealing.com/blog...stritis-gerd-achlorhydria-h-pylori-treatment/

Interesting! So I guess consuming raw coconut oil (not just holding it in the mouth?) would have an anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial effect in the gut? I eat the stuff and use it instead of body lotion (I live in a super-dry area). Wonder what a therapeutic "dose" would be?

Earlier someone posted an article on coconut oil and brain function (also helpful it said).

I wonder if you can absorb the "good stuff" through the skin? Thoughts?

Sushi
 

GcMAF Australia

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i would say absolutely.
It is sort of like spraying fertiliser onto plant leaves.
Also there is some science on sulfonated cholesterol and sulphonated vitamin D which are formed in skin.
Also i think maybe other organs and skin are like interconnected, they evolved from the same ancestor.
Sort of like the skin is a "blood vessel that has a flat shape with one side open to the air"
Whereas most medical people look at them differently.
i sometimes use liquid vitamin D on skin, nose.
thinking that maybe could spray into lungs.
There are heaps of medical topical sprays and patches.
Also the possibility of enhancers which increase permeability., almond oil is one (probably coconut oil as well)
I am thinking of trying these things on balding patches for men, also for inflammation bags under eyes
and eyesight.
had some successes with topical applications
 

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I sometimes us liquid vitamin D on skin, nose. thinking that maybe could spray into lungs.
There are heaps of medical topical sprays and patches.
...

Thanks!

A bunch of us nebulize things we want to get into the lungs--like glutathione. Wonder if you could safely do it with Vit D?

Sushi
 

Little Bluestem

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I have in my notes (without attribution) that 10 - 20 ml of coconut oil twice daily is often helpful for brain fog and hypoglycemia. For those of us in the U.S., that is 2 - 4 tsp. This is due to the medium-chain fatty acids. I have also read the medium-chain fatty acids are a good energy source for the heart. I do not know what effect that dose would have on gut microbes.
 

GcMAF Australia

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Thanks!

A bunch of us nebulize things we want to get into the lungs--like glutathione. Wonder if you could safely do it with Vit D?

Sushi
Interesting point Sushi
So CFS people have problems with lungs then?
hhmm
One of my points about vitamin D is that naturally the flow is usually from skin to other parts.
To me it is unnatural to eat vitamin D as in tablets. Also need good blood flow to get to lungs
  • What safety studies have been done with other inhalations? probably none or minimal.
  • I cant see why not, maybe using low doses to test
  • People inhale diesel fumes, eucalytus oil, essential oils, fragrances, pollution etc etc: so why would vitamin D be more dangerous??
To me doctors and med researchers dont know a lot of things (me too, but at least i am asking some questions)
I have used vitamin d
  • in nose for infection (suspect strep),
  • on skin for cancer with Tee tree oil
  • under eyes for inflammation (partial success)
  • looking at it for hair loss
 

GcMAF Australia

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I have in my notes (without attribution) that 10 - 20 ml of coconut oil twice daily is often helpful for brain fog and hypoglycemia. For those of us in the U.S., that is 2 - 4 tsp. This is due to the medium-chain fatty acids. I have also read the medium-chain fatty acids are a good energy source for the heart. I do not know what effect that dose would have on gut microbes.
i think monolauren which is a fatty acid
 

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Interesting point Sushi
So CFS people have problems with lungs then?
hhmm...

Interesting ideas about the natural flow of Vitamin D.

CFS patients may not have more lung problems than other populations, but nebulizing is one way to take medications/nutrients that bypasses the digestive tract.

I know some of us have tried nebulizing reduced (buffered) glutathione together with hydrox B12 to form the compound glutathionylcobalamin in order to protect B12 from being gobbled up dealing with toxins.

Sushi
 

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Hi Froufox,

Thanks much for sharing a cautionary note. Sorry to hear that oil pulling set you back in such a significant way. Your experience has me considering whether I should take a break for a while and see what kinds of shifts I might experience in the following days, if any.

I was wondering if you considered whether some of what you experienced could possibly have been due to using an oil your body may not have been compatible with. Or to some kind of detoxification going on, perhaps at a too rapid rate. I might just try to do a search and see if I can find other stories of people having your kind of experience. As with anything pwCFS try, even the most seemingly benign therapy can cause major problems. Which behooves us to always be careful and pay attention to how it's affecting us. -- Thanks again for sharing.

Wayne

What are some kinds of things we should be replacing while doing this sort of thing (oil pulling, clay foot baths)? I had my first clay foot bath last night and it's given a boost to my energy and clarity, but I will be taking it slowly and want to replace anything benficial that may be drawn out as well. I'm not very knowledgeable at this sort of thing. I imagine chelation would present the same problem.
 

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What are some kinds of things we should be replacing while doing this sort of thing (oil pulling, clay foot baths)? I had my first clay foot bath last night and it's given a boost to my energy and clarity, but I will be taking it slowly and want to replace anything benficial that may be drawn out as well. I'm not very knowledgeable at this sort of thing. I imagine chelation would present the same problem.

Hi Christopher, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I've heard a person should be sure to get plenty of minerals to replace those that may be chelated out using clay therapy. I take a Standard Process "kelp/greens" product called Min-Tran, plus a separate product of just wheat grass tablets. I've often thought I should perhaps do more, and have been meaning to review a thread here about making your own homemade electrolyte drinks. I suspect this would be a good adjunct for anybody with ME/CFS, as it t seems many of us are low on minerals, whether or not we do clay therapy, oil pulling, saunas, or anything else that could deplete minerals from the body.

Congratulations on your first clay foot bath going so well for you. I've gotten away from them for a few months (along with a number of other things), but your post has me thinking I need to get refocused on doing them again. They always consistently give me an energy boost; unfortunately, it takes energy and effort to get it all done. -- I'll be interested to hear how you're doing with them these days, and whether you continue to have good results.

Best, Wayne
 

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I've been becoming increasingly concerned (have already been concerned a lot) about possible oral infections. So I just this morning started adding a few drops of essential oils (thieves blend) to my oil pulling regimen. My hope is that if I do have some kind of chronic infections going on, these oils could seep deep into it and perhaps reduce and/or eliminate them. I suspect tea tree oil might also be effective. Anybody got any other suggestions? -- Thanks.
 

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I've been becoming increasingly concerned (have already been concerned a lot) about possible oral infections. So I just this morning started adding a few drops of essential oils (thieves blend) to my oil pulling regimen. My hope is that if I do have some kind of chronic infections going on, these oils could seep deep into it and perhaps reduce and/or eliminate them. I suspect tea tree oil might also be effective. Anybody got any other suggestions? -- Thanks.

I've had some luck with the Tooth and Gums Tonic from the Dental Herb Company. It used to require a dentist's prescription, but it looks like there are some places you can buy it online now. It's really strong stuff -- knocked out a candida infection I just couldn't shake.
 

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Sunflower oil is high in Omega 6 which might not be good if you're limiting that. There is something called high oleic sunflower oil which is low in omega 6 and high in omega 9 (which is supposed to be good). Olive oil is another good choice because it is low in omega 6 and high in omega 9. I also read that olive oil increases glutathione production (not sure how much though). I don't like the taste of olive oil and was hoping to use coconut oil since I already have a lot of that, but I have amalgams so I guess it's not a good idea.
 

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Interesting! So I guess consuming raw coconut oil (not just holding it in the mouth?) would have an anti-inflammatory, anti-microbial effect in the gut? I eat the stuff and use it instead of body lotion (I live in a super-dry area). Wonder what a therapeutic "dose" would be?

Earlier someone posted an article on coconut oil and brain function (also helpful it said).

Sushi
Coconut oil has caprylic acid which is antimicrobial, antibacterial, and also used to kill candida. According to one supplement manufacturer, 1 Tablespoon of coconut oil contains around 1000 mg caprylic acid. However, MCT Oil (Medium Chain Triglyceride) which is made from palm and/or coconut oil has around 8000 mg of caprylic acid in a Tablespoon. I've also read about people taking coconut oil and MCT oil for weight loss.
I wonder if you can absorb the "good stuff" through the skin? Thoughts?
Another Ayurvedic healing method is giving your entire body (including the scalp and ears) an oil massage. I'm not sure if this is to absorb the "good stuff" though. Ingesting oil or applying it externally as a massage is supposed to aid in detoxification. They also make herbalized oils that are supposed to increase absorption of the herbs. Besides taking the herbalized oil orally, they also snort the oils in the nasal cavities (preferably after using a neti pot) or use the oils for an enema:whistle:
 
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I didn't notice much from oil pulling. I only did it for a few weeks. I'm going to try the clay foot bath!

I suspect tea tree oil might also be effective. Anybody got any other suggestions? -- Thanks.

Tea tree sounds really good to me. I might try that too. Make sure you test it and dilute it enough, because I know undiluted it has a burning tingling feel on my skin.

Peppermint, spearmint, and almond oil are commonly used and I saw clove oil too.
 

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I've been becoming increasingly concerned (have already been concerned a lot) about possible oral infections. So I just this morning started adding a few drops of essential oils (thieves blend) to my oil pulling regimen. My hope is that if I do have some kind of chronic infections going on, these oils could seep deep into it and perhaps reduce and/or eliminate them. I suspect tea tree oil might also be effective. Anybody got any other suggestions? -- Thanks.
Grapefruit seed extract is antibacterial. Or if you want to do something specific to Ayurveda you could try neem oil. Some Neem oil is for external use only, but I've seen at least one that can be used internally. If you're just using it for the mouth it might not matter though. Neem is antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal, antiseptic, and antiparasitic. I should warn you though, I've heard that neem is very bitter. Not sure about GSE. In Ayurveda and elsewhere, bitter herbs tend to have strong cleansing and healing properties. Andrographis and goldenseal come to mind.
 

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With grapefruit seed extract there is the possibility of interaction with medications. If I use it I take it many hours apart from medications.

Sushi
 

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With grapefruit seed extract there is the possibility of interaction with medications. If I use it I take it many hours apart from medications.

Sushi
Because grapefruit is a cytochrome P450 inhibitor? If that's the case then some medications can take a day or longer to clear the system. Your medication might be short acting, but if anyone's taking Prozac it's half life is at least 2-3 days and can take over a week to clear the system. Of course on the plus side, P450 inhibitors also increase the potency of your supplements. Bioperene is added to many supplements to "enhance absorption", but this is partially because it's a P450 inhibitor. I've been taking coenzyme q10 that has bioperene added to it, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea to take it or not. This is something I've been struggling with ever since learning about CYP450. Even if a person isn't taking any prescription drugs, taking P450 inhibitors can reduce your body's ability to detoxify. We are all exposed to hazardous chemicals such as xenoestrogens (also natural estrogens) and our bodies are constantly trying to eliminate them partially with the P450 enzymes. BTW, males also have plenty of naturally produced estrogen that can be toxic if not metabolized properly. This from Rich
Drugs are foreign substances to the body, and it treats them as toxins and tries to get rid of them. A lot of them are oxidized in the liver by the CYP450 enzymes, of which there are many, but CYP 1, 2, and 3 types are the ones that metabolize drugs, CYP3A being responsible for metabolizing over half of the drugs. Glutathione depletion also impacts the operation of the Phase I cytochrome P450 enzymes that metabolize many of the meds, because oxidizing free radicals are produced by them, and glutathione is the basis for the cell's antioxidant enzyme system.

The metabolism of estradiol (and of the estrogens in general) is complex, including a large number of alternative pathways and metabolites. Most of the metabolism of estradiol occurs in the liver, while smaller amounts occur in other organs, including breast, uterus, brain, kidneys and ovaries.
Some estradiol is converted to estrone, and some is acted upon by various CYP450 enzymes to form multiple hydroxylated metabolites. Estradiol itself, estrone and these hydroxylated metabolites can be conjugated by other detox enzymes to form sulfates, glucuronides, or fatty acid esters. The various sulfate and glucuronide conjugates are the main metabolites that are excreted in urine and stools. Only the major pathways of estradiol metabolism are discussed in detail in the following.
The main hydroxylation reactions in the liver involve the CYP450 enzymes CYP3A and CYP1A2, and their chief product is 2-hydroxyestradiol, which is a catechol estradiol.