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(Norway) Lightning Process talk cancelled after protests from the ME Association

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by mango, Apr 23, 2016.

  1. mango

    mango Senior Member

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    Landmark was supposed to give a talk on Lightning Process at RBUP (the regional center for child and youth psychiatry) in Nydalen, Norway. The talk was cancelled thanks to the protests by the Norwegian ME Association.

    http://www.dagensmedisin.no/artikler/2016/04/22/avlyste-lp-foredrag-etter-klage-fra-me-foreningen/

    Based on Google Translate's version:
     
  2. mango

    mango Senior Member

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  3. Esther12

    Esther12 Senior Member

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    Lets get some open debate going then... Landmark has never seemed up to it in the past though.
     
  4. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    So does that mean that if a participant on one of her courses asks her why it isn't working, she'll be prepared to discuss it?
     
  5. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

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    There's a big difference between an "open debate" and a one-sided lecture from a quack with a huge financial interest.

    Somehow I doubt she wants anything even resembling open debate, and would prefer the LP approach of demanding a lack of dissent even in our thoughts.
     
  6. adreno

    adreno PR activist

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    Anything with an effect size of zero has no place in academic debate.
     
  7. SilverbladeTE

    SilverbladeTE Senior Member

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    My thoughts, ;)

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  8. Art Vandelay

    Art Vandelay Senior Member

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    Oh please, whenever there's a hint of open debate, the delicate flowers in the BPS movement start whining about 'harassment'.
     
  9. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Except that its not about them being delicate, its a ploy with very long standing in politics for silencing dissent and debate.
     
  10. Chrisb

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    This is a useful insight alex.. I had never before seen the "vexatious" issue in the broader context. It seems to have become impossible to have a serious discussion on some substantive issues without being accused of some form of "ism" or "phobia" or "ness". At this point the diversion tactic will have succeeded.

    It would be interesting to analyse the stages of the process to enable the ploy to be preempted by stating in advance the nature and manner of the likely attack.

    It seems to run along the lines first ascribe to someone words they have not uttered; then, views they do not hold; then, lump them together with people they do not support; then, accuse them of being likely to undertake actions they have never contemplated.

    Do they run courses on this?
     
  11. sarah darwins

    sarah darwins I told you I was ill

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    Psychology?
     
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  12. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Philosophy - logic.
     
  13. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Low peasant cunning.
     
  14. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    Is it possible to see the letter? I would like to hear the all arguments.
     
  15. Kina

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    So if 'LP is not a treatment' why in the last paragraph is she mentioning 'urgent need for treatment' for patients?

    How about we 'unmuzzle' her and invite her over to Phoenix Rising for an 'open debate'.:rofl:
     
  16. A.B.

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    Good example of weasel words. Act as if it were a treatment but deny that it is one when challenged.
     
  17. SilverbladeTE

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    sure, an invitation would be fun.... :p

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  18. Kalliope

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    Not only has she been muzzled, but she's also shared - on social media - that being prohibited to advertise for LP at The Regional Centre for Child and Adolescent Mental Health is a matter of freedom of speech.

    She's by the way a journalist, author, blogger, occasionally writes for two medical magazines, writes debate articles on ME and LP quite often in general media, has a website, lectures for students of medicine and has quite a few keen followers, among them several health care workers.
     
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  19. alex3619

    alex3619 Senior Member

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    A study of logic tells us when someone is using fallacious argument, but often this is in a political environment. So a study of some parts of politics, public-relations and psychology (three p's?) as already mentioned, may be helpful in determining what to do about it.
     
  20. Art Vandelay

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    Exactly. It usually seems to occur when their opponent is dastardly enough to bring facts and logic to the debate (eg, when David Tuller took on that hapless Norwegian chap on twitter).
     

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