Angela did thoughtful, sane, logical analysis by you and others stop Sophia Mirza's death? No. that's it in a nut shell. I'm really sorry, I appreciate your sentiment and viewpoint, I do not think you should stop what you do, but in general, it's a waste of time for nearly everyone else who should be out protesting, emailing, writing letters and telling the "babbling" psychs to go **** themselves crossways with a barge pole! SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE! that how the real world works in it's ugly lumpen way, not dusty debating chambers and logicak debate by those who actually care about the Scientific Principle. Calm rational debate does jack squat int he way of corruption and vested interest. Wave a stick at them, wave gold at them, point to the mob baying for their blood, THEN you'll get action. I'm sorry, truly I am. But scum respect nothing but personally getting their ass in a jam, be it fired by superiors, bopped on the nose by a victim or jailed for cold blooded murder. I've dealt with ratbags high and low, and they're all the same: they don't give a toss about others or logic :/ The difference between the street scum with the screwdriver and a drug habit, and the politically astute weasel (be it MD, exec, or MP) is really just better social skills and awarness of how events may unfold (i.e. risk strategy management). To put it in a sort of Terry Pratchett way, the only difference between a bandit and a king is: the king understands the importance of etiquette and having a patsy! Your approcach will eventually get through...after all the SOBs like Wessely are dead from old age and thus new ideas will be allowed to enter, after all the secrets come out and we discover whatever this is all really about This has happened in other areas of science, however, we are not talking about say, Continental Drift, where the otucome is purely about scientific advancement and merely held up by bloated egos. In this case people are DYING, and being locked up, having their kids stolen, and tortured etc. Now, by all means keep doing what you are doing, you will help change the minds of the non-bigots EVENTUALLY, and through rational decent behaviour Our enemies though are scum, they are not like you. You have to bypass, uproot or eliminate them because they don't give a crap what the hell you say. In thirty bloody years these scum have only got stronger, only the WPi has managed to put a serious dent in the bastards. You are acting on the basis that the tools of rational science will win, which they won't, because "Weasels" are not at all rational. They have dug in by means unknown to us: "Old school tie", insurance companies pulling political strings due to fear of losses, or whatever, but they have huge influence YOU CANNOT DEFEAT by logicla dissection of their studies. Street protests en masse are far FAR more effective, than kind, merciful, logical, friendly, decent, wise verbal and written discourse, and I am fed up with that fact, but it's true. Look at Egypt and many many other examples. You aren't wrong, you're just not seeing it's a battlefield with more than one dimension and your "front" is not the be all and end all of it. Yours is the underlying, logic sane basis, a strong point if you will, but what we need, is a Blitzkreig: outmanouvering the road blocks deliberately engineered by masters of psychology and PR, cutting their gawd damn support out from under them, and let them we washed into the sewers to drown in the filth they've made us endure, while we storm the high ground Once that is achieved, logic and sanity can form a clear cut basis of proof where it can finally be HEARD instead of swept into a tangental wastebasket.