@Bob Yea, I did here but apparently no one clicked on it That was Busnell as the other speaker. http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?posts/699747/ They have done a thorough investigation into chronic pain/fatigue/fibro. This why I am concern that they will interpret anything in ME/CFS cohort as they did with analysis here. If you read their research articles, you will know what I mean. Forgot off hand the exact issues as I don't want to watch a 2 hour video again. I was hoping someone would watch and comment as well.