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New Scientist: Inside the clinic offering young blood to cure ageing

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Londinium, Sep 28, 2017.

  1. Londinium

    Londinium Senior Member

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    Aside from being an interesting, if slightly ghoulish, read in this week's New Scientist, there is an ME/CFS link. Before I get to that, some pretty major caveats:
    • The article is (fairly, in view) pretty sceptical of the claims being made by this clinic and questions whether they are being truly accurate in claiming few side effects / bad reactions;
    • Despite calling it a trial, what the clinic is offering cannot really be called that.
    • Indeed, the 'findings' so far were announced at software coding conference, not in a medical journal.

    So, with those caveats/major red flags in mind, there was one bit that caught my eye (emphasis mine):

    As far as I can tell, the blood transfusion is actually an infusion of blood plasma. Therefore - with all the methodological problems / other issues aside - this would be the third group that seems to find that something in blood plasma may be linked to ME/CFS. IIRC, Fluge/Mella and Davis have both reported in vitro findings that ME/CFS patients' plasma seems to impede cellular metabolism in healthy cells, and that ME/CFS patients' cellular metabolism ceases to be impaired if placed into healthy controls' plasma.

    Given all the problems highlighted, it would be entirely wrong to suggest this is the first confirmation of these findings in vivo (Did the patient in question really have CFS? Did they really recover? Was this placebo effect?). However, I still thought it might be of interest given that it seems to be consistent with the current research focus on blood plasma in ME/CFS.

    ...plus the article's a pretty good read anyway. Increasingly I find a lot of the 'innovation' in Silicon Valley to be pretty dystopian, and if the rich paying for the blood of the young isn't dystopian I don't know what is...
     
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    Jesse2233 Senior Member

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    Extremely interesting albeit problematic
     
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    jpcv Senior Member

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    It´s been done already in laboratory.
     
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  4. jpcv

    jpcv Senior Member

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    Dystopia is their religion.
     
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    Woolie Senior Member

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    This is such an incredibly nasty experiment. Like something out of Mengele's notebook. Maybe mice are not humans, but they are still sentient beings.
     
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    I thought Tina Turner uses blood transfusion regularly to stay young.

    If this works with ME patients now on top of all the negative public opinions, we'll be called "vampires" .

    Sorry major brain fog this morning. I'm not very articulate.
     
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    Helen Senior Member

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    It was about 20 years ago that I heard, from a reliable source, that one of the very rich here went to the US regularly to get blood tranfusions from young people to postpone his ageing. So clearly a treatment that has been available for a long time.
     
  8. RogerBlack

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    From memory, more careful experiments of a similar nature failed to find benefits of one-off infusion.

    It's not being infused with young blood once that helps - but being connected to the fitter mouses circulatory system, either through elimination of some fatiguing compound, or positive effects.

    As to ethical implications - well - I have more mouse-bait to put down today (the traps aren't working in my house properly).
     
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    Londinium Senior Member

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    Yes, one of the scientists is quoted as the main effect being down to being connected to the younger mouse's better lungs, kidneys, heart and liver. And, even more grimly, the positive stimulatory effects of being dragged around by a young mouse rather than 'sitting in the corner' like an elderly mouse would normally do.
     
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    Strawberry Senior Member

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    I find this extremely interesting, as I feel one of my possible triggers was a blood transfusion. I never felt the same after that blood transfusion... It was also the reverse, I was young while my donor was old. Although you would think with time, it would wear off. Maybe I should have that daughter of mine give me a pint? :D Ahhh, to be 22 again!
     
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  11. Wonko

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    The other side.
    I'm surprised this is new news, I thought this "treatment" had been going on for a long, long time - I seem to remember some old black and white footage of something very similar I saw last year somewhere. Rich old people being injected(?) with the blood of the young, parallels were drawn with vampirism ;) - unfortunately, whilst I know exactly where I saw it, on my TV, I have no idea of when, what program or channel, or anything remotely useful, just that I've seen it.
     
  12. RogerBlack

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    The original paper 20 years ago (?) got a lot of press at the time, with lots of predictions of clinics doing this for the rich.
     
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    The other side.
    That would put it in the 90's. What I'm thinking of was much older, but it's not important - my point still stands - the news is olds lol
     
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    Mithriel Senior Member

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    Could be "monkey glands". Before the hormone system was worked out extract of glands was injected as a rejuvenating treatment. It is mentioned in the Dorothy Sayers books so that would be the 20s.

    From some of the hint, hint language at the time I think it was popular as a form of viagra ...
     
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  15. helperofearth123

    helperofearth123 Senior Member

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    If there was a UK clinic that did this I'd be up for trying it.

    Edit: Come to think of it, wouldn't any age healthy blood help?
     
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  16. HowToEscape?

    HowToEscape? Senior Member

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    Discovered by Dr. Bram Stoker?
     
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    Mrs Sowester Senior Member

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    The blood of virgins will undoubtedly be the most delicious, whoops! I mean rejuvenating and expensive.
     
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