New Atmosphere, New Vision: Gibson and Whittemore Kick Off Invest in ME Conference 2016
Mark Berry reports on Dr. Gibson's introduction and Dr. Whittemore's keynote speech, at the 11th Invest in ME International ME Conference in London.
Discuss the article on the Forums.

New Mella talk, exciting reveals

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Marky90, Oct 11, 2016.

  1. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,097
    Likes:
    17,189
    We're definitely talking about the same study. Wyller is a major psychobabbler in Norway, he has put out many papers since the failed clonidine trial arguing that CFS is a sustained stress response. The fact that clonidine made his participants worse compared to placebo has not deterred him. Here's a thread where an editorial he wrote more recently rehashing the same old ideas about stress was discussed:

    http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...athophysiology-diagnosis-and-treatment.41857/
     
    Woolie, Valentijn and Marky90 like this.
  2. JaimeS

    JaimeS Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,212
    Likes:
    11,855
    Mid-Ohio Valley, United States
    Absolutely we need more proof than just one study! And we need the work done on more people. The study is a preliminary study and its results will have to be repeated. From what F & M are saying, and from what Hansen was saying, it looks like we have some repeated findings but not all.

    Then there are those who simply distrust metabolomics as a method, period.

    In context, it seemed clearer he understood and to some extent agreed, but there were aspects with which he disagreed.

    :( :( :(

    Yes, I'm talking about this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24493300

    The conclusions they reached in that paper, at least, were that it was part of a compensatory mechanism, and that therefore it was an ineffective treatment.

    -J
     
  3. Grigor

    Grigor Senior Member

    Messages:
    412
    Likes:
    935
    Amsterdam
    I have the feeling we are talking about blood markers. But let's see.
     
    MEMum likes this.
  4. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,097
    Likes:
    17,189
    :(

    It's pretty awful how researchers are prepared to say one (reasonable) thing in order to get published in a peer-reviewed journal but then continue to push discredited theories as if nothing happened. What I'd really like to know is whether he prescribes this drug to patients despite the trial showing that it's useless/harmful.
     
    Jan, Solstice, Grigor and 5 others like this.
  5. JaimeS

    JaimeS Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,212
    Likes:
    11,855
    Mid-Ohio Valley, United States
    It's remarkable.

    "But you soundly disproved theory X."

    Wyller et al:

    [​IMG]
     
    MEMum, actup, Sidereal and 1 other person like this.
  6. Dr Speedy

    Dr Speedy

    Messages:
    91
    Likes:
    228
    Wyller just like Wessely is not willing to give up his kingdom of lies yet. Once a Pinocchio Psychiatrist always a Pinocchio Psychiatrist
     
  7. Neunistiva

    Neunistiva Senior Member

    Messages:
    260
    Likes:
    1,424
    I was just talking about hybernation and dauer state, not about the paper results and conclusion. Dr. Naviaux never said we were hybernating or in dauer state, that's all I'm trying to say.
     
    JaimeS likes this.
  8. daisybell

    daisybell Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,602
    Likes:
    7,371
    New Zealand
    I love this line from the google translate version!
    "They also have good evidence to say that the disease is in the blood, not between the ears."
     
    Jan, ryan31337, Cornishbird and 17 others like this.
  9. Grigor

    Grigor Senior Member

    Messages:
    412
    Likes:
    935
    Amsterdam
    justy, aimossy, Webdog and 2 others like this.
  10. NL93

    NL93 Senior Member

    Messages:
    141
    Likes:
    865
    The Netherlands
    And: "The disease does not sit between the ears!" :rofl:
     
    Jan, Johannawj, justy and 7 others like this.
  11. Strawberry

    Strawberry Senior Member

    Messages:
    839
    Likes:
    1,605
    Seattle, WA USA
    Would this be what is behind the "wired but tired" symptom we so often have? That makes sense to me.

    I am so happy to see all of this now coming together.

    Thank you @Marky90 for your detailed note taking!
     
    JaimeS, MEMum, Marky90 and 1 other person like this.
  12. Marky90

    Marky90 Science breeds knowledge, opinion breeds ignorance

    Messages:
    1,227
    Likes:
    4,571
    i can only speak for myself, but my adrenaline metabolism was fine when i tested it. and i felt like shit when taking it^^
     
    MEMum likes this.
  13. Strawberry

    Strawberry Senior Member

    Messages:
    839
    Likes:
    1,605
    Seattle, WA USA
    Interesting! I have no clue about mine. So something that doesn't affect all of us.
     
    MEMum, JaimeS and Marky90 like this.
  14. hixxy

    hixxy Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,150
    Likes:
    1,325
    Australia
    I don't think adrenaline plays any role in wired but tired.
     
  15. Woolie

    Woolie Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,931
    Likes:
    14,573
    Do you have a link here @Sidereal? I missed this discussion , but it sounds interesting.

    Edit: don't worry, i just caught up on the other posts here. There's plenty for me to go on there.
     
  16. daisybell

    daisybell Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,602
    Likes:
    7,371
    New Zealand
    I propose a new name for this disease - Systemic Hypometabolic Intolerance To Exercise (disease) - not sure what the BPS crowd would make of that... :rofl::rofl:
     
    Mary, Ysabelle-S, ryan31337 and 16 others like this.
  17. lnester7

    lnester7 Seven

    Messages:
    2,517
    Likes:
    3,646
    USA
    SHITE???? Lol I am not sure if this was intentional
     
    Jan, MEMum, JaimeS and 3 others like this.
  18. daisybell

    daisybell Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,602
    Likes:
    7,371
    New Zealand
    Indeed it was!!
     
    MastBCrazy, Jan, Cornishbird and 12 others like this.
  19. soofke

    soofke

    Messages:
    73
    Likes:
    46
    Dutchy
    what about Dauer's Disease? or does it have to be named after a person not a critter
     
    lauluce and JaimeS like this.
  20. Snow Leopard

    Snow Leopard Hibernating

    Messages:
    4,616
    Likes:
    12,462
    South Australia
    When you are ill within a few days of a vaccine and can't walk/stand within a few weeks, it's pretty clear the vaccine was the trigger.

    The key is that vaccine triggers are rare versus infectious triggers, similar to Guillain Barre syndrome where infection is the most common trigger. It's probably still the same immunological process that goes wrong (flu vaccine vs flu infection).
     
    Cornishbird, MEMum, actup and 7 others like this.

See more popular forum discussions.

Share This Page