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Dx Revision Watch

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3. We welcome the opportunity to respond to the Committee’s inquiry on the post-legislative scrutiny of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). While the Wellcome Trust itself, as a charity, is not subject to FOIA, the majority of researchers that we fund are captured by it because they are based in UK universities which are defined as “public authorities” under the Act. The implementation of the FOIA, and its impact on researchers, is therefore of direct relevance to the Trust. UK universities are facing an increasing number of FOI requests and are becoming increasingly concerned about the burden this creates..."

Source:

Justice Committee Written evidence from the Wellcome Trust:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmjust/96/96vw92.htm
 

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http://www.investinme.org/IIME-Newslet-1612-01.shtml


Sigh!


Influences on Research into ME
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On Wednesday 7th December the Forward-ME group will meet with Professor Stephen Holgate of the MRC/CMRC to discuss the MEGA proposal.

In the Forward-ME minutes for 25th October it was already stated that Professor Holgate would be invited to this meeting.

The Forward-ME minutes from October are quite interesting if one also reflects on comments from some CMRC members since that meeting.

But it is even more of a surprise that one trustee of another charity, also a member of the CMRC board and a member of Forward-ME, should have contacted Professor Holgate on 3rd November, after the October Forward-ME meeting, to suggest that Professor Holgate contact Invest in ME’s advisory board regarding the opposing petition – OMEGA.

This Professor Holgate did – and all of this without the knowledge Invest in ME [click here].

This sorry state of affairs seemed to us to be an ugly attempt by the CMRC to influence the charity’s position!

Almost one month on from sending a letter to Professor Holgate to seek clarification about the CMRC (MRC) position on this matter Invest in ME Research has still received no acknowledgment from Professor Holgate – let alone an answer to the questions we asked.

We notified the CEO of the Medical Research Council, Sir John Savill, of the lack of a reply to our questions –




Thank you for confirming receipt of our letter.

You may be interested to know that Professor Stephen Holgate has not even had the courtesy to respond to our recent letter – despite seemingly responding to all others who have contacted him, from what we can discern from the internet.

As Professor Holgate had signed his email to our advisor as “MRC Clinical Professor of Immunopharmacology” then we also assume that he was representing the MRC, as well as the CMRC.

We raised legitimate questions regarding the way that the CMRC, and by association the MRC, conduct their business relating to ME – as well as the distinct conflicts of interest that would seem to exist.

As you will no doubt be aware everyone in the charity are entirely appalled and disgusted with the actions of Professor Holgate – as well as the particular CMRC board member who suggested that our advisors are contacted in this way.


We further stated -


Should we not expect more from the MRC?


It is obvious that we have no faith at all in the CMRC board.

As MP Kelvin Hopkins has asked in a parliamentary question [http://tinyurl.com/h3rnngq]


To ask the Secretary of State for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, if he will take steps to identify those responsible for the Medical Research Council's policies towards ME research over the last decade; and if he will seek those people's removal from positions of influence over future of ME research.


As with all the questions posed by Kelvin Hopkins the replies said more about the establishment postition on ME than intended by the scant responses - which were full of obfuscation, apathy and unwillingness to act.

The problems with the policies toward ME research for the last generation, and everything they have led to, is something the charity has been commenting on for some time.

Notably this is maybe epitomised by the events described above involving discussions and emails by CMRC members to contact the charity's advisors without our knowledge.

But looking back over some of our previous newsletters we see that little has changed since Invest in ME became a charity.

In our December 2008 newsletter we wrote of the Medical Research Council when it announced its "new" " "MultiDisciplinary" Panel


If the objective of forming this panel is to encourage new researchers into the field then what has caused this change of policy from the MRC when they have for years rejected high-quality biomedical research proposals and only funded research based on the behavioural view of the illness?

It is difficult to see how this panel could work for the benefit of people with ME and their families when the members of the panel maintain such opposing views of the illness. Maybe members of those charities whom the MRC have chosen to invite to this panel could ask their elected representatives to ensure that correct diagnostic criteria will be used for any future research projects funded by the MRC (i.e. the Canadian Guidelines). Otherwise statements from this panel stating that they are interested in encouraging more research into ME will be based on a charade and will have no real value.




From our January 2009 newsletter - in the section MRC and Biomedical Research on Page 3.

Almost 8 years on and these words from that newsletter seem very prescient – especially the predictions (and when reading this please reflect that this was eight years ago - eight years of people's lives) -


January 2009 newsletter

From our December 2009 newsletter -


Whatever some may think of the MRC's current, protracted policy toward ME (their current effort, which consists of a panel formed by Professor Stephen Holgate, has taken two years to set up its first workshop) the fact remains that the MRC continues to delay what is urgently required - funding of biomedical research into ME.

And

Perhaps one of the last vestiges from the old establishment mismanagement of funding for ME research will be published next year by psychiatrists who were given funding from the MRC for research based on flawed diagnostic criteria.

Margaret Williams writes in her article on the Pace trials (Can the MRC PACE Trial Be Justified?)-


At the MRC Workshop on CFS/ME held on 19th / 20th November 2009 at Heythrop Park, Oxfordshire, in his introduction Professor Stephen Holgate effectively said that the reason for the meeting was the need to move forward,to get away from old models and to use proper science, and that there was no reason not to change things, a view he had also expressed at the RSM meeting "Medicine and me" on 11th July 2009.




The outcome of PACE is predictable (the report will undoubtedly state that CBT is beneficial for people with ME). The fact that proper science, based on biomedical research, has already made the PACE trials redundant and irrelevant is testament to the wasted years of MRC mismanagement.

Unfortunately Professor Holgate has found a strange way to get away from "old models" by including known proponents of the psychosocial view of ME to be present on his panel of experts.


In our 2012 Christmas newsletter we wrote –


In the UK ME patients and their families are now witnessing the real fallout from the discredited PACE Trial - a meaningless and flawed trial, using £5 million of scarce funding.


Questions to Professor Holgate

  • We have only seen this one email trail. Are there others that concern Invest in ME Research within the CMRC or MEGA proposal group?
  • Is this part of a larger campaign, or campaigns, against dissenting voices who oppose MEGA by the CMRC, or by those involved in MEGA, or by another group or organisation of which you are a member?
  • We note that, in your email to our advisory board member, you purposely included and cc:d several others of the CMRC – including some MRC representatives. Are all members of the CMRC aware of this and in agreement with your action in contacting our advisory board without the knowledge of Invest in ME Research?
  • Is it the norm for the CMRC to contact the advisors of other charities who oppose CMRC projects, without the knowledge of the charity chair and trustees – and is this a policy of the CMRC which is meant to influence the policies of that charity?
    If this is so then has that policy been authorised with the knowledge and agreement of the full CMRC board and of CMRC members? And if so has it been documented for the public to see?
  • Have you made contact to all of our advisory board or to others in the ME community or research community, or any others, in any attempt to influence the policies of Invest in ME Research?
  • Have you also contacted the advisory boards, or equivalent supporting bodies, of other charities who oppose MEGA without the knowledge of the charities themselves?
  • We note that the most recent organisation to have signed the OMEGA petition which opposes the MEGA project is the Irish ME Trust – an organisation not located in the UK. Have you also contacted their advisory board, or equivalent, to attempt in any way to alter their policy?
  • As we know that the Science Media Centre sits on the board of the CMRC then is it also with the involvement of the Science Media Centre that you have contacted our advisory board?
  • With your status as an advisor to Action for ME do you not feel that you have a distinct conflict of interest if one also considers your involvement in CMRC and MEGA and MRC - and that you should not be contacting our advisor in this way as it may make you appear to be less than impartial when attempting to influence research into ME?
  • Will you and the CMRC provide an assurance that you will not endorse or condone any attempt to subvert the policies of Invest in ME Research by influencing our advisory board and that you will contact the chairman of Invest in ME Research directly if you have any issue with the charity’s position on any subject related to ME?

It would be interesting to receive responses to all of these points so that people with ME and their families and carers may judge themselves what is/has been occurring.
 
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Questions to Professor Holgate

  • We have only seen this one email trail. Are there others that concern Invest in ME Research within the CMRC or MEGA proposal group?
  • Is this part of a larger campaign, or campaigns, against dissenting voices who oppose MEGA by the CMRC, or by those involved in MEGA, or by another group or organisation of which you are a member?
  • We note that, in your email to our advisory board member, you purposely included and cc:d several others of the CMRC – including some MRC representatives. Are all members of the CMRC aware of this and in agreement with your action in contacting our advisory board without the knowledge of Invest in ME Research?
  • Is it the norm for the CMRC to contact the advisors of other charities who oppose CMRC projects, without the knowledge of the charity chair and trustees – and is this a policy of the CMRC which is meant to influence the policies of that charity?
    If this is so then has that policy been authorised with the knowledge and agreement of the full CMRC board and of CMRC members? And if so has it been documented for the public to see?
  • Have you made contact to all of our advisory board or to others in the ME community or research community, or any others, in any attempt to influence the policies of Invest in ME Research?
  • Have you also contacted the advisory boards, or equivalent supporting bodies, of other charities who oppose MEGA without the knowledge of the charities themselves?
  • We note that the most recent organisation to have signed the OMEGA petition which opposes the MEGA project is the Irish ME Trust – an organisation not located in the UK. Have you also contacted their advisory board, or equivalent, to attempt in any way to alter their policy?
  • As we know that the Science Media Centre sits on the board of the CMRC then is it also with the involvement of the Science Media Centre that you have contacted our advisory board?
  • With your status as an advisor to Action for ME do you not feel that you have a distinct conflict of interest if one also considers your involvement in CMRC and MEGA and MRC - and that you should not be contacting our advisor in this way as it may make you appear to be less than impartial when attempting to influence research into ME?
  • Will you and the CMRC provide an assurance that you will not endorse or condone any attempt to subvert the policies of Invest in ME Research by influencing our advisory board and that you will contact the chairman of Invest in ME Research directly if you have any issue with the charity’s position on any subject related to ME?

It would be interesting to receive responses to all of these points so that people with ME and their families and carers may judge themselves what is/has been occurring.

This is a really dirty business.
 

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It's not at all uncommon for BPS types to say one thing, especially when addressing certain audiences, and actually do something rather different. In short, they lie, and they think it's okay because it's supposedly for our benefit.

Well we know the CMRC had / has two sets of minutes ..one for 'them' and one for the rest of us.
 

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On Wednesday 7th December the Forward-ME group will meet with Professor Stephen Holgate of the MRC/CMRC to discuss the MEGA proposal.
Do we know if/when any minutes and/or information will be made publicly available from this meeting. Any news at all? Or if the meeting did (not) happen?
 

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Guiding the lifeboats to safer waters.
Do we know if/when any minutes and/or information will be made publicly available from this meeting. Any news at all? Or if the meeting did (not) happen?
Well, minutes from the meeting at the end of October were put on their website recently/this week, so suggests their normal turnaround. Whether this meeting will be subject to the normal turnaround, who knows. Could try contacting them here http://www.forward-me.org.uk
 

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Countess MAR (not sure if I addressed her correctly) replied almost immediately to my email, and has subsequently given permission for me to post it here.

Subject: Re: Minutes from today's meeting

Dear Barry

I cannot give you a precise date as my 'secretariat' is voluntary. I have asked for them to be ready as soon as possible because I know that a lot of people are waiting for them. They won't be verbatim but I have also asked for them to be as comprehensive as so many want the detail.

With kind regards

Margaret

Sent from my iPad

On 7 Dec 2016, at 21:17, Barry <Surname> wrote:

Hello,

Can you please advise when the minutes will be available from today’s meeting (Wed 7 Dec 2016), between Forward-ME and Professor Stephen Holgate of the MRC/CMRC, discussing the MEGA proposal. And will they be the full minutes, or subject to redactions?

Many thanks,

Barry <Surname>

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Edit 8 Dec 16: The Countess of MAR has asked me, in a very nice email, to mention/clarify the following, which I am only too happy to do:-
  • Although 3 of members of Forward-ME are also are members of CMRC, Forward-ME is an entirely separate entity from CMRC.
  • The Countess of MAR personally ensures that Forward-ME remains honest and open to scrutiny.
  • Anyone wishing to view published minutes can see them on the forward-me.org.uk website ...
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  • Once the Countess of MAR receives the initial draft of any minutes, it is then checked by all members and speakers before publishing; they must be allowed time to respond. Some delay is inevitable therefore.
 
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@lilpink said:
"Well we know the CMRC had / has two sets of minutes ..one for 'them' and one for the rest of us."


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The CMRC 'Two sets of Minutes'


From the CMRC emails obtained by FOI by Jane Colby of the Tymes Trust ME Children's Charity:

'A Report from Tymes Trust - the inside story of the UK CFS/ME Research Collaborative
Our Report is based, not on speculation or conjecture, but on direct evidence from emails exchanged by the
participants.'




Relevent quotes from the emails:

http://www.tymestrust.org/pdfs/shiningalight.pdf

'One SMC ‘strategy’ to reduce ‘harassment’ was to “put minutes of meetings online.” Following the 22nd May 2013 meeting of the Executive Board of the UK CMRC Sonya Chowdhury emailed:

“Hi all please find attached the minutes of our meeting and a summary for public consumption. I have deliberately made the summary detailed so that people don’t feel we’re only providing limited information ...In the future, I would suggest that the summary is approved by the Chair and Vice Chair so that they can go up immediately after the meeting.”
(quote 19)'


3rd June, Sonya Chowdhury to group
“As agreed we can now share the above summary [“CFSMERC minutes 23.5.13”] on websites etc. and the minutes are for the Board only.



(quote 0) 11th October, Sonya Chowdhury to group
“Hi All - please find attached: Chair-approved minutes of our meeting on Monday; Chair-approved summary notes of the meeting which will go on our website, as previously agreed.”



(quote 1) 14th January 2014,
Sonya Chowdhury to group

“Attached are the chair-approved minutes (for the Board only) and the summary notes (for public consumption).”


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Just wanted to let you know that I personally have decided not to apply to be on the patient advisory group for MEGA, mainly because the risk to my already very severe ME is too much to take. If any other people here can apply and get through, I'll be more than willing to offer help and advice.

I will also continue to campaign against the involvement of EC and the parachuting of FITNET PAGs into MEGA
 

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Just wanted to let you know that I personally have decided not to apply to be on the patient advisory group for MEGA, mainly because the risk to my already very severe ME is too much to take. If any other people here can apply and get through, I'll be more than willing to offer help and advice.

I will also continue to campaign against the involvement of EC and the parachuting of FITNET PAGs into MEGA

In the vanishingly unlikely event that I get chosen, I'll be in touch. I share your primary concerns.
 

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@trishrhymes. Glad to hear you're going to or have applied. If you need help with filling in the application form I can help you, if you haven't already sent it off.
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Thank you. Already sent. Probably too brief, and they won't want such an outspoken critic. If we are going to continue this conversation probably best to do private message. If I do get in, I'll start another thread in the Members only area to share ideas and seek support or do it as a private conversation.
 

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Thank you. Already sent. Probably too brief, and they won't want such an outspoken critic. If we are going to continue this conversation probably best to do private message. If I do get in, I'll start another thread in the Members only area to share ideas and seek support or do it as a private conversation.

If you don't get selected Trish I will be furious, good luck and thank you for doing this :hug:
 
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Thank you. Already sent. Probably too brief, and they won't want such an outspoken critic. If we are going to continue this conversation probably best to do private message. If I do get in, I'll start another thread in the Members only area to share ideas and seek support or do it as a private conversation.
@trishrhymes. Good luck with your application. I hope you get accepted as we need proper patient input into the protocol. As I said I'd have happily taken part but health just too poor to be able to keep up specially with the immediate demands being so rushed between 19th December-4th January.
Chat soon