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New Keith Laws blog on PACE - Song for the Siren

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Sasha, Nov 6, 2015.

  1. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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  2. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    adreno PR activist

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    Interesting.
     
  4. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    It could be said that both CBT & GET hindered improvement after 52 weeks, as the SMC & APT groups experienced faster improvements after 52 weeks. I wonder if patients will be told this? In any case, CBT & GET offered no treatment benefits compared to usual care when assessed at 2.5 years. I wonder if patients will be told this?
     
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    Esther12 Senior Member

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    I still haven't read the new paper properly though, so will have to come back to this blog later. Really pleased that both Coyne and Laws seem to be showing an interest.
     
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    ... and consistent with what patients have been saying all along.
     
  8. Dolphin

    Dolphin Senior Member

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    A simpler thing to look at is this image in another thread: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/inde...r-get-after-52-weeks.40884/page-4#post-659274

    PACEover2.png

    The PACE Trial authors tried to claim that the improvements seen in the APT and SMC-only groups were due to people getting extra CBT or GET, but the data from these groups doesn't back it up (people in these groups who didn't do CBT or GET had similar improvements). Keith Laws looks at a few issues but this point wouldn't stand out I think.
     
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    aimossy Senior Member

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    Great blog!
     
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    Valentijn Senior Member

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    I thought it was a pretty easy read, despite including some statistical claims. Very accessible, and makes a lot of good points.
     
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    aimossy Senior Member

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    It is the sort of thing that is hard to get through and he did make clear points that were understandable and readable. I really do love Simon's graph as well.
     
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