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'Natural' antiretrovirals?

Discussion in 'XMRV Testing, Treatment and Transmission' started by dannybex, Oct 12, 2009.

  1. FancyMyBlood

    FancyMyBlood Senior Member

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    Oh the dreaded diarrhea! Thank you very much for this info Forbearance because if I try it I was thinking to start at 20ml because I read that people take about 90ml per day so I'm really going to follow your lead and try a small teaspoon first. I keep thinking that I should wait until I'm a little better to try it but that's a logic that's going nowhere!

    Glen, I don't know much about acai and goji except that they are reputed to be of great benefit to the optimum functioning of the body in any circumstance. 1/4 cup seems a good amount but is it easy to take? Any bad effects? I think I saw a product on iherb.com that was a blend of these 3 juices. I'm sure there are differences in how these juices work so perhaps it is a good idea to use them as you suggest. I saw people talking about the noni juice and some say that they only feel the benefits while taking the premium juice brand as opposed to capsules or watered down fruit juicey versions. If you try it will you let us know how it goes for you please? Good luck with it.
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    Quercetin sounds interesting, but seems it can suppress T3 production -so watch thyroid levels, maybe (this from Glenn S. Rothfeld, "Thyroid Balance"--seems a sound book). Chris
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    Forebearance Senior Member

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    Thank you, FancyMyBlood and Chris, for that info! Good luck Sphynx and Glen when you try the Noni juice.
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    sorry if this is a repeat but i started taking virgin coconut oil,2 tablespoons a day.after 2 weeks i started feeling sleepy but not that fatigue we're all too familiar with.it was the only thing different that i was taking. a friend told me it was more than likely a die-off from either canadia or one of the mlv's.oy!
    virgin coconut oil is anti-bacterial,anti-fungal,anti-viral,its raises good cholesteral.good for the heart,helps with energy also contains both monolaurin and lauricidin..the list goes on.
    as others have mentioned it may be finding the right personal dose so as not to feel sleepy all the time.google this product and see what it's capable of doing.
    i'm also on a low dose of ldn and it has definitley helped,not a cure for me but i do have more energy.
    also i take allertec which may be called provigil in the states.its for narcoleptics and releases histamine in the brain..not in the body. it helps tremendously with clearer thinking,focus and energy.this has been a great addition.
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    Has anyone else heard of Moringa as an ARV? It's been recommended to me, but I haven't been able to do much research on it yet. Apparently health workers in Africa have seen amazing results from giving it to those with AIDS. This is the most relevant info I've found on it so far; anecdotal reports that cannot be confirmed.
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    Moringa used to raise T-cell count in HIV

    Hello Danity,

    Thanks for sharing this information. I never heard of the moringa tree before but I'm busy learning about it now! When I searched the net about it, at first it appeared to be just a beautifully nutritious supplement that was supporting HIV+ people by enhancing their daily nutritional intake and, in that way, giving them a good boost. However, it was great to read the article you linked. For those who haven't read it, this article focuses on the treatment of AIDS patients who were primarily using artemisia annua with moringa to treat AIDS. One 32 woman had a CD4 count of only 34 but after 3 months with these supplements her count had risen to 280.

    Do you think you will try it out Dainty? Big big big good luck if you do!

    I have read in a few different online articles that it gives no side effects but this would seem unlikely for us who are already so sick and would be experiencing what looks to be an immune jolt. Any thoughts anyone?
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    August59 Daughters High School Graduation

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    I'm not to sure of its antiviral properties, but as antioxidant that is "fat soluble" and has the ability to cross blood brain barrier, would this be good supplement in addition to the natural antivirals?

    "Ecklonia Cava"

    There are a lot of articles on the internet, but I'm not very good at sorting out the "real" evidence from the "hype". This may be better posted in a different thread and will re-post if needed. Thanks
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    Phlorotannins from Ecklonia cava (Phaeophyceae): Biological activities and potential health benefits.

    Wijesekara I, Yoon NY, Kim SK.

    Marine Biochemistry Laboratory, Department of Chemistry, Pukyong National University, Busan, Republic of Korea.
    Abstract

    The importance of bioactive derivatives as functional ingredients has been well recognized due to their valuable health beneficial effects. Therefore, isolation and characterization of novel functional ingredients with biological activities from seaweeds have gained much attention. Ecklonia cava Kjellman is an edible seaweed, which has been recognized as a rich source of bioactive derivatives mainly, phlorotannins. These phlorotannins exhibit various beneficial biological activities such as antioxidant, anticancer, antidiabetic, anti-human immunodeficiency virus, antihypertensive, matrix metalloproteinase enzyme inhibition, hyaluronidase enzyme inhibition, radioprotective, and antiallergic activities. This review focuses on biological activities of phlorotannins with potential health beneficial applications in functional foods, pharmaceuticals, and cosmeceuticals. (c) 2010 International Union of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, Inc.
  11. julius

    julius Watchoo lookin' at?

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    Chrysanthemums

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14598216

    These can easily be found at Chinese apothecaries, and are very cheap. They make a tea that some people find quite pleasant.

    They are also easy to find in pretty much any garden you look at. These may not be C. moriflorum, but I think they all have the active flavonoids.

    Here is a description of the TCM uses;
    http://www.mdidea.com/products/new/new090.html



    ETA: A decoction (rather than infusion) is recommended. This means you should actually boil the flowers to extract the active compounds. Simply steeping them after removing the water from the heat (like tea) won't really do the trick.
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    julius Watchoo lookin' at?

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    As an integrase inhibitor, it could be used as a 'poor man's' substitute for raltegravir in a HAART regimen. Ralt is the most expensive (by a huge margin) of the three so far shown to be effective.

    Now I am debating whether to start trying this, or to wait till more is know so as to avoid developing drug resistance.
  13. julius

    julius Watchoo lookin' at?

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    I just found this very interesting work, I can't see it anywhere else on thus thread so I will post it. It's a very long document, so I will just post the title, authors and link here.

    REVIEW ARTICLE
    Naturally Derived Anti-HIV Agents

    Kaleab Asres1, Ameha Seyoum1, Ciddi Veeresham1, Franz Bucar2 and Simon Gibbons3*
    1Department of Pharmacognosy, School of Pharmacy, Addis Ababa University, P.O. Box 1176, Addis Ababa, Ethiopia
    2Institute for Pharmaceutical Sciences, Department of Pharmacognosy, University of Graz, Universitaetsplatz 4/1, A-8010 Graz,
    Austria
    3Centre for Pharmacognosy & Phytotherapy, The School of Pharmacy, University of London, 29/39 Brunswick Square, London
    WC1N 1AX, UK
    http://www.fiocco59.altervista.org/nacci/anti-AIDS plants.pdf
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    natural Actos

    In case anyone is interested, I did some research into natural alternatives to the drug Actos, which Dr. Shoemaker often gives to people with Lyme Disease. The supplement PGX appears to do one of the things Actos does -- it prevents insulin spikes after eating.

    I just thought I'd add this since Dr. Deckoff-Jones' daughter Ali has been taking Actos.
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    forebearance, great idea, thanks for sharing, I am putting PGX on my grocery list. I took that for awhile last year, forget why, it was supposed to have some health benefit for cfs, maybe its just what you said, but i sort of freaked out today when I tried on some old dress pants and couldnt zip them up, I remember when they hung off me 5 years ago! wth, pgx worth a try :)
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    Thanks forbearance! I thought Shoemaker was just using Actos to regulate leptin levels, but at the site below, it says "Treatment for biotoxins will often incorporate targeted gene therapy using Actos. Actos is a drug approved for the treatment of diabetes that also has a significant number of benefits for those with biotoxin-associated illness. Beyond being anti-inflammatory, Actos lowers leptin, lowers MMP9, raises VEGF, and positively affects other markers not discussed in the scope of this article. It is one of the most important interventions known in treating biotoxin illnesses."

    It goes on to say Actos can prevent a cytokine storm (but I'm sure other natural anti-inflammatories can deal w/that, too).


    http://eo-eo.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=74170609499&topic=9641
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    You are very welcome! You're supposed to take PGX with meals to prevent insulin spikes. Last year I tried some on an empty stomach, because it is soluble fiber, after all. I hoped it would suck up biotoxins. It worked so well it was actually too strong for me! I would have to get some in powdered form so I could take a smaller dose.

    Sorry for the digression. Back to antiretrovirals.
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    I have an anti xmrv protocol of sorts I recently started, any comments?

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    Great list, Funkodessey

    Had a quick look and some of the things on your list make my symptoms much worse and don't ever improve over time - whey protein, OLE for example, fish oils. But you are already taking them (not the OLE) so they obviously don't have that effect on you.

    Quite a few other things I've taken in the past but have noticed no good effects (or too little good effects) so gave up as I have difficulty swallowing tablets and digesting them / not enough money (Escitalopram, magnesium m, zinc, al-carnitine, lycopene, co10)

    Wishing you all the very best and hope that the OLE doesn't make your stomach too painful or sick!

    XMRV+
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    There's a lot of discussion about Lauricidin at the beginning of this thread. Has anyone tried it since then? If so, what have your experiences been?

    Also, right now I'm taking a product called Rizols Gamma, which is an "ozonated oil" with herbs (clove, artemisia, walnut) that's supposed to treat Lyme and some co-infections. I think I like it, but it's quite strong! (The people on the Lyme boards often have a hard time taking even one drop.) Klinghardt recommends it, and I learned about it from a doctor who was Klinghardt-trained.

    There's also a product called Rizols Zeta, which is supposed to treat various viruses. It has clove, artemesia, walnut, black cumin and moxa in it. Does anyone have any thoughts about whether it might be appropriate for retroviruses?

    Thanks, Lisa

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