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My Understanding of CFS/ME and How To Heal

Discussion in 'Spirituality and ME/CFS' started by cmt12, Jul 12, 2014.

  1. cmt12

    cmt12

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    I've been reading this forum for awhile now and I think I'm pretty familiar with the general viewpoints of most forum members, so I'm expecting to be met with resistance for what I'm going to share since it is far from mainstream. I'm posting this in the spirituality section for this reason. I've already posted this on another forum so I'm just going to link it from there. I hope that's okay and I hope the information is helpful to some of you.

    I recommend reading this post first:
    http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=71424

    This is what I want to share:
    http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=71484
     
  2. WillowJ

    WillowJ Senior Member

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    Most of that is highly familiar to us: It's not like we haven't heard it before.

    No one would argue that Mind<------->Body, but the line is probably more appropriately drawn like:
    Mind<<===---->Body
    (double indicates heavier line: more influence from body toward mind)

    Note that in either diagram, the line goes both ways. So you cannot arbitrarily fix diseases with meditation--if you claim so, your actual diagram goes like this:

    Mind---->Body

    [edited for content]
     
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  3. cmt12

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    I agree with that. What I am claiming is that disease occurs from the imbalance caused by the imprints. I am claiming we can release the imprints by unrepressing them through meditation.

    I do not think I can make my arm swell up with my mind if that's what the challenge is about but that does not disprove what I'm saying.

    Anybody, that wants to consider what I'm saying should watch this Bruce Lipton lecture:


    And here is the mice article:
    http://phenomena.nationalgeographic...nherit-specific-memories-because-epigenetics/
     
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  4. Tammy

    Tammy Senior Member

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    No resistance here...........thank you for sharing. Love and light............Tammy
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member

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    I do not see what meditation has to do with instinct.
     
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    Scarecrow Senior Member

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    @cmt12 - from your second thread:

    Constricted muscles are tougher than relaxed muscles. For me, the is simply evidence of a defensive reaction to being choked and no more than that.

    I have to be honest that what you've posted on the two threads on the other forums isn't really my thing but never the less I wish you well. Can you tell us, though, what this is has meant for your own health. In what ways are you improved in mind / brain / body? How do you function now compared to six years ago?
     
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    This is a bunch of new-age blame-the-victim bullshit.

    It's insulting and inappropriate.
     
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  8. Kina

    Kina Moderation Team Lead

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    Do you have ME/CFS @cmt12 -- what are your major symptoms?
     
  9. cmt12

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    At 1 minute on in this video you can see a polar bear going through the discharge process:


    Quick and easy because the bear doesn't have any other repressed traumas. This is not how it works with humans since we have continuously accumulated and passed on the imprints to the next generation. That energy release at the end will not occur until you have released all of the imprints one by one. For me, how it works is I'll have tight muscles throughout my body, which I feel most fully in my head and neck area. Over a period of usually a couple of days, the muscles will contract and then release (as long as I am in a relaxed state) and then immediately I'll feel tightness in a different area. Over time, I notice the imprints getting deeper and deeper like a cylinder narrowing in. It doesn't matter if I am releasing the first imprint or the last, the stress response is still present. It is not a gradual relief of symptoms - it is one big release at the end, in which the body re-balances.

    The process is automatic as long as the imprints are completely unrepressed, which requires meditation, awareness, and a lot of pain tolerance.
     
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    lansbergen Senior Member

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    I see an anesthetic work
     
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    Here's a video that shows the freeze response without a release. You can see how it's useful for survival; animals are reluctant to show aggression when none is returned.



    I don't expect anyone to just accept all of this right away. The awareness of all of this, and the updates to my belief system, happened over a long period of time. I just want to introduce it.
     
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    I don't understand the points you are making.

    I see a naturally selected behavioural response. It increases chance of survival when caught by a predator. By the time the cheetah catches the gazelle and it's teeth are round the gazelle's neck, squeezing the life out of it, there's no point in the gazelle trying to fight back. The cheetah is bigger and stronger. However, if the cheetah is distracted by another predator trying to steal its prey (a not uncommon event in the life of a cheetah), the gazelle can take the opportunity to escape.
     
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    @cmt12 - you've already put forward your theory. At this stage there's little point in adding to it unless you establish that there is a practical effectiveness.

    Are you better?
     
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    I don't see a freeze response. When an animal shows submission attitude the the fight is over.

    You can believe what ever you want. Afterall there is freedom of religion. But animal; behavior has nothing to do with meditation.
     
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    @cmt12 -- could you please let us know if you have ME/CFS. I asked you before and you didn't answer. We are a forum for people with ME/CFS and not a forum for people without ME/CFS to come to tell us why we are sick.

    Thank you.
     
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    errrrrr..........unless you're Jonathan Edwards, etc. ;)
     
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    This is how I see application of meditation in medicine:

    • may reduce perception of pain
    • may improve mood, depending on underlying pathology
    • may improve well-being
    • may improve breathing, depending on underlying pathology related to breathing
    • may reduce heart rate, depending on underlying pathology related to heart rate
    • promotes relaxation, which depending on underlying pathology might reduce muscle tension, which might reduce pain and do other good things
    • may reduce anxiety, depending on underlying pathology
    • similar things I might have forgotten to list

    the above may improve other HRQoL and QOL in general.

    Note that there is no "cure disease" on the list [not 'similar' to 'reduce heart rate'].

    You're welcome to your own faith, but insisting others need to have 'enough faith' or 'enough spiritual discipline' to be cured (by whatever faith) is not ok.

    Since you seem interested in Jesus, please read the account the Tower of Siloam and the Man Born Blind. Sometimes stuff that happens (good and bad) is random, and has no relationship to the situation (good or bad) of the person it happens to (or their family).
     
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    There is a difference between somebody who has something concrete to offer RE valuable information who maintains contact with the staff over somebody who simply joins to push some bizarre and insulting theory on the members.
     
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    @Kina. Very true. But I think that it's clear from this thread that there a lot of members on the case. There are also members like Tammy who may not agree that cmt12 is pushing a 'bizarre and insulting theory'. Doesn't she deserve respect, too?

    I was only making light of it. It wasn't intended to cause offense.
     
  20. cmt12

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    I hope you guys really take the time to read everything I have said to understand what I'm saying. Based on my experience and interpretation, I reject the existing paradigm that says there are all these chronic illnesses each with their own root cause.

    It's like if three people have a cold and one is dealing with more of a sore throat, another is dealing more with coughing, and the third experiences more of a stuffy nose. We don't say that they have 3 different issues - they all have a cold. I'm claiming the same thing about chronic illnesses, which is a big claim I realize.

    Is it that far fetched though if we observe how nature works and how self correcting it is to say that our bodies can heal themselves if we set the right conditions for it? To say that all these negative DNA mutations are not just "how it is"? That we need to create all these synthetic replicas through pharmacy of the things in our bodies for each separate illness, especially considering how complex of a system the brain is and the fact that we haven't cured one chronic illness through pharmacy yet?

    I wouldn't be spreading this information publicly unless I was sure. I know that means nothing to you guys but hopefully you can at least believe when I say my intentions here are to help.

    To answer your question, I haven't gone out to get a diagnosis for the reasons I stated but I know enough to say I could get a CFS diagnosis and I have similar symptoms to all of you.
     

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