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My Methylation Experiment

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by AndyPandy, May 3, 2015.

  1. AndyPandy

    AndyPandy Making the most of it

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    My ME/CFS specialist has recommended methylation treatment. I am homozygous MTHFR C677T amongst other things.

    I have been dragging my feet on starting this as I wanted to build up my immune system and be clear of viruses before I started.

    Well despite trying extra supplements to boost my immune system, I am still struggling with back to back viruses with hardly a break between them. I seem to be getting worse and I'm spending more time in bed.

    Yesterday I was reading "A Simple Explanation of the Glutathione/Methylation Depletion Theory of ME/CFS" by Rich Von Konynenburg. It talks about some people getting more and more infections over time. This is me.

    So after reading this and some prompting by @Daffodil ;) I started methylation treatment this morning.

    My starting dose is 156.25mcg Hydroxocobalamin. I took this under my tongue this morning after breakfast.

    This is much less than my doctor recommended, but I do not tolerate meds well and I am firmly in the start low, go slow camp.

    I am going to take this by itself once a week to start with and see how it goes. Then I will add in methylfolate.

    I have had a busy morning with an appointment, so it is hard to tell whether how I am feeling is related to the HB12, but one thing I noticed which wouldn't be related to overdoing it is "clarity".

    I have a sense of alertness or clarity, like a fog has cleared. My instincts are that if I had too much of this I would be agitated or hyperactive mentally. I will see how it goes.

    I decided to put this information in a thread rather than a blog as I want to share my experiences with as many people as possible. I have benefitted so much from other people sharing on PR and want to pay that forward now.

    Best wishes, Andy.
     
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  2. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    @AndyPandy ..i dont really know what methylation is lol
     
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    @AndyPandy I highly recommend Caledonia's document in her signature called something like Roadblocks to methylation. I found that very helpful.
     
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    Ha ha ha @Daffodil. No matter, it was encouragement at the right time. I have done a fair bit of reading up and planning about a methylation experiment before launching into it. :p
     
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    Thanks so much @helen1. I have read all of the documents under Caledonia's signature and did a lot of planning before starting. ;)
     
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    Ive done the b12 and it really seems to help me out. Continue to go low and slow and I think you will see some results from it.
     
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    Thanks@cman89. Good to read you have experienced some benefits.
     
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    So after 4 weeks of HB12 156mcg once a week I have now added in Methylfolate 25mcg once a week on the same day.

    Boom! Things are kicking off after one dose. Feeling very fluey and horrible. A bit like the bad early days. Glad I'm going low and slow.

    Best wishes to all who are experimenting with methylation.
     
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    I used to crush the methylfolate tablet, dip in a wet toothpick, and suck on it. Really low and slow! But after some months I could take 800 mcg without problems.

    Sushi
     
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    Thanks @Sushi I will keep that in mind if this amount is too much to handle!
     
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    So I have continued with the same amount of HB12 and Methylfolate for the past 6 weeks now. Once a week only. I have also been taking additional potassium, magnesium and B2.

    My reactions to the dose are improving. I still take it and go straight back to bed with side effects on day 1, but days 2 and 3 are not as bad now. Week 5 with HB 12 and Methylfolate was a set back but could have been due to other things going on and overdoing it.

    I have decided to seek advice from MTHFR Support here in Australia regarding dosages and supplements. They are in Sydney but will do phone and Skype appointments. It seems they are naturopaths who specialise in MTHFR.

    I have a phone appointment in a couple of weeks. I will let you know how it goes.

    Best wishes, Andy
     
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    Hey there, AndyPandy!! TY. What made you decide to only take it once a week? I received Hydroxy today and I would like to take it daily for the energy, perhaps but in a smaller dose. What was your rational for once a week? Glad you are seeing some improvements or at least are able to tolerate it. : )
     
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    Gut instinct was too sick, too sensitive to cope with daily dose to start with. Have homozygous MTHFR C677T and a number of other methylation and detox mutations. Long history of bad reactions to meds. As it is, once a week is enough to handle just now. Will see what MTHFR Support has to say. Best wishes, Andy
     
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    Understood! Fingers crossed.
     
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    I felt it was time to get with the program and time to get my "summer" on! Thanks, Andy! :fish::fish:
     
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    Andy, the key word is clarity with the B12. I saw you wrote that above. My mind became clearer. Boom!

    I took it this AM and felt that. Super low dose.

    It is wearing off and I want more, but I'm scared to do so. Too much methylation brings on major pain for me. I keep thinking of Scarface and the cocaine scene with Al Pacino. That's what I want to do with the B12! :)
     
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    I've been on a liquid methyl/adeno b-12 for about a week and have noticed the clearing affect. My head doesn't feel like its under water. I've decided not to do methylfolate besides what is in food.......might change my mind about that later. I've also noticed just in a weeks time with the b-12 that I don't feel as fluey. I hold the liquid in my mouth longer than what is suggested on bottle.
     
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    Andy,

    You are a reminder of one of the virtues we would all do well to deepen: patience. Holding off and taking your methyl donors only once a week is behavior I’m not sure I could maintain. Yet I am coming to realize that just such pointed attention to the body is the only way we can move forward without injuring ourselves one way or another.

    I found myself in the middle of some sort of methyl-trapping-folate insufficiency only years into taking a B-Complex that had changed their formula to include methyl folate and b-12. Now, like @fprefect I’m stuck in the middle of it and trying to work my way out. Today the lesson is about lowering that B-Complex substantially and increasing my potassium. Who knows what tomorrow will bring?

    It probably doesn’t matter where we begin, the journey is complex and multi-faceted. Most of all, we need to learn to pay attention. But I believe there is a way. Today anyway! :p And for your great reminder, thank you!

    K
     
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    So I have continued with the same doses and the reactions are improving. Day 1 is only half bad after bed rest. I added in 25mg of B2 once a day at some stage recently (too tired to remember) and I think this helped with the reactions.

    I have been feeling like I have slightly more energy and slightly better recovery from activity. I caught a virus last week and only had it mildly and was over it in under a week. My husband was way worse than me and took longer to get over it. This is a big shift for me as usually I am the one who is worse and it can take me 1 to 2 months to get over it. Hard to say if this is definitely due to methylation, but here's hoping.

    I had a phone appointment with MTHFR Support today. It was one of the best appointments I have had in the past 4 years. Too tired to go into specifics now, but based on this appointment I would recommend them.

    Best wishes, Andy
     
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