It was at his 2009, Fairfax lecture where he wheeled out the redox thing. He has to be absolutely right about this. I'm surprised no one focused on it earlier: without adequate cellular energy you end up vulnerable to intracellular infection and this further drives you toward humoral dominance. I used to have the lecture on DVD but seem to have misplaced it. Here's a recap though: http://forums.prohealth.com/forums/...-cheney-talk-fairfax-va-april-25-2009.203809/ Cheney's most recent talk: Dr Klinghardt has been sending people in for HLA DR testing that he diagnoses as having "Lyme Disease". Various other LLMD's are doing the same. This seems to have caught on in the Lyme world but not yet the ME/CFS world. We should really start a poll here on PR to get a rough idea of the percentage of people with ME that are testing positive for these genes. I wish I had the link to the doctors' blogs that reported the high percentage but I don't have that now. Sorry. @slayadragon linked to one such blog somewhere on the forum here.