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My Experience With Dr. Kaufman at the Open Medicine Institute

jeff_w

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If you could I would suggest Germany to see doctor that might be better equipped to help you. ...

Then she see my doctor for Electral dermal screening she puts her on a 7 month parasite cleanse and at the 6 months mark she gets really sick and passes a nest of parasites. When I found Bill Monroe's HP inhalation method which has cured tons of people of breathing issues. Look him on earthclinic.

Many times doctor misdiagnose people and more people die from doctors MISTAKES yes it is true ....especially prescribing medication than anything else . So proceed with caution

@GRACED

I have made vast improvements with treatment from Dr. Kaufman, but thanks for your concern.

I'm not interested in a parasite cleanse, and I don't have breathing issues. The treatment I am receiving from Dr. Kaufman has a strong, research-based rationale.

I'm not sure why you're afraid that I could die from potential medical mistakes, when this thread shows how much I've been helped. I'm much further from death due to treatment.

EDIT: Gracie, I just noticed you edited your post to address it to @Gingergrrl , not to me anymore.
 
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Many people who have to travel don't have insurance that covers them out of the area. Mine wouldn't, even if I could get there, which I can't.
Hi, Just FYI in case it is helpful to you or anyone else reading this...I had the same concern about insurance when my Dr suggested that I go out of state to the Mayo Clinic. He said that sometimes if your doctor writes a letter to the insurance company documenting why the patient needs to travel out of the area to get help they may pre-approve it. Best of luck.
 

jeff_w

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Oh I see!

Did you started your COq10 at that level or increased gradually?
I started Coq10 at 200mg twice daily. Then, I bumped it up to 400mg twice daily and felt a definite improvement. After that, the higher I went, the better I felt.

I now buy it in a powdered form from Bulk Supplements, which is much more affordable than capsules!
 

jess100

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I actually live in LA so it was a 6-7 hour drive and my husband drove us and we did end up staying in a hotel for two nights. In my case, my insurance covered all the blood work/labs so we just paid the price of the consult. I can try to get the consult reimbursed by insurance but fully expecting it to be denied which is okay.

@minkeygirl I am not sure about insurance refusing to pay for labs out of the area and in my case it was within the same state. But for someone interested, especially who is out of state, you could check with your insurance in advance to see what would be covered.

I totally agree that when you add in the cost of gas and hotel, it is ruled out for many people. Luckily it was drivable for us so we did not have to pay for airfare. I had decided early on that I was prepared to spend my life savings trying to get better so I could literally say that I had tried everything humanly possible. I have a family and this was worth it to me to get my life back. I refused to allow my husband to pay one penny for my medical appts, hotel, gas, etc, b/c this is something that I feel I needed to do myself.

HI I'm reading your experience with Dr Kaufman and I have read Jeff's experience many times. You said it was worth it to get your life back, so I'm wondering if you did, in fact, get your life back to any extent. If you can share this and anything more about your care there it would be appreciated very much
Jess
 

jess100

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Hi Jeff

In your post about Dr Kaufman you said you had another appointment on Sept 4. How did that go?
I just watched some videos about Dr Richard Horowitz and Lyme and there were several patients also wheelchair-bound until their Lyme and other infections were found. It reminded me of your story.
You might also be interested to read his "Roadmap" although he doesn't call it that. He also had some natural ways to support recovery that I found interesting and worth a try (green tea, curcumin, etc) The video of his conference talks is on Phoenix Rising and well worth the time to watch.
Thanks
Jess




In one word: Wonderful

A Bit of Background on my Illness:

I have had M.E. since August of 2011. It started out mild-to-moderate and stayed that way for nearly three years. I was able to make it through several years of full time graduate school while working part time as a research assistant--but this nearly killed me. I had no energy for a social life and spent all my free time sleeping.

In January of 2014, I had to stop full time grad school and go only part time. I also had to cut my research assistant hours in half. By May of 2014, I began going downhill quickly. In June of 2014, I became non-functional, developed severe orthostatic intolerance, and have been bedridden ever since.

Dr. Kaufman had me write and provide a chronological health history as well as provide labs prior to my appointment. I emailed all this info to his office a week before my appointment.

The Start of the Appointment:

When I arrived, he had clearly gone through my entire file prior to my arrival. He had me tell him my health history verbally, because, in his words, "people frequently have more to add. Plus, I can ask questions during the telling."

He was very warm and personable! He also really understood how ill I am. When I had to recline after the first 10 minutes of the appointment, Dr. Kaufman didn't flinch. He said at one point, "You are very, very sick." This felt like a miracle in comparison to the years of disbelief by SO MANY doctors who insisted I was "a perfectly healthy young man."

Pulse, Blood Pressure, ACTH Stimulation, and Blood Draw

Dr. Kaufman took my pulse and blood pressure while sitting, standing, and lying down. He told me that I have "extremely severe POTS." He said the POTS is contributing to my fatigue and is making it impossible for me to sit or stand for any length of time. He also said that treating the POTS alone will result in significant improvement but is not the whole story.

He then discussed my elevated viral titers from prior lab work. He said he still needed to test me for NK cell function as well as do some more viral titer investigation. So, his nurse drew VAST AMOUNTS of blood. I'm talking, 4 HUGE syringes of blood--these syringes held the volume of a large turkey baster.

Then he injected me with ACTH to stimulate my adrenal glands and test their functioning. I was shocked to find that this injection made me feel significantly better. Not "cured" by any stretch, but much better!

By the end of the appointment, after so much blood had been drawn, his nurse infused me with 2 liters of IV saline. This was a relief.

Next Steps:

Throughout the entire appointment, Dr. Kaufman was VERY open to questions and answered all of them. He was patient, knowledgeable, and kind. By the end of the appointment, he wrote me prescriptions for Propranolol (beta blocker) and Florinef (increases blood volume and replaces aldosterone). These will treat the POTS while we wait for the results of my bloodwork.

He said the next step will very likely be antiviral treatment with Valcyte, which we will discuss at my followup appointment. I scheduled this for September 4th.

In a Nutshell:

If anyone lives in or near California, consider going to Dr. Kaufman if your health and finances will allow it. He's located in Mountain View, which is in Northern California (near San Jose). I only had a three week wait from the time I called his office to the time they scheduled me in for an appointment.

I have hope now and feel like living again. I couldn't be happier.
Hi Jeff
 

Gingergrrl

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@jess100 I will answer your post tomorrow when I am more awake and can respond in more detail but yes, it was definitely worth it for me to travel to OMI and see Dr. Kaufman. More later!
 

sueami

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jeff, it is so hearte ing to read ur story. ty for sharing.

i wonder if you could detail yor rest protocol, however it was when you started and what it is now.


also, how far apart were the initial visit and follow up with dr kaufman? i amwondering if i could do them in one trip from colorado or two.
 

jeff_w

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In your post about Dr Kaufman you said you had another appointment on Sept 4. How did that go?
I just watched some videos about Dr Richard Horowitz and Lyme and there were several patients also wheelchair-bound until their Lyme and other infections were found. It reminded me of your story.
You might also be interested to read his "Roadmap" although he doesn't call it that. He also had some natural ways to support recovery that I found interesting and worth a try (green tea, curcumin, etc) The video of his conference talks is on Phoenix Rising and well worth the time to watch.
Thanks
Jess
Hi @jess100

Thanks. If you decide to read through the thread a bit more (it's long, I know!), you'll find my update about the Sept 4th appt. I have a list of supplements I'm taking, which is also in the thread. Curcumin is on the list in addition to maybe 20 or so others.
 

jeff_w

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jeff, it is so hearte ing to read ur story. ty for sharing.

i wonder if you could detail yor rest protocol, however it was when you started and what it is now.

also, how far apart were the initial visit and follow up with dr kaufman? i amwondering if i could do them in one trip from colorado or two.
Thanks, @sueami !

Dr. Kaufman schedules your follow up appointment 2-3 weeks following your initial appointment. He will do the follow up by phone for people who travel long distances.

As for my rest protocol: At the beginning of my illness, I was completely bedridden so rested at all times. As I began recovering and doing more activities, I learned through trial and error to stop and rest before I felt symptoms of fatigue. Here's an example: When I go out for coffee with friends, I won't stay out until I feel tired. Instead, I'll choose to go home and rest before I feel the slightest hint of tiredness. This is hard to do, and it took time to become disciplined enough to do this. At first, I'd keep doing an activity even after I started feeling tired. This never ended well.

The second component to my rest protocol is to rest proactively. As an example, at least once or twice during each day I'll choose to "do nothing" on purpose. I'll lie flat in bed with my eyes closed for 30 minutes to an hour. I generally feel very good after doing this.

So: In my experience, stopping activities to rest before fatigue sets in, combined with resting proactively, promotes a faster recovery.

I hope you have a great experience with Dr. Kaufman. Keep us posted!
 

Gingergrrl

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HI I'm reading your experience with Dr Kaufman and I have read Jeff's experience many times. You said it was worth it to get your life back, so I'm wondering if you did, in fact, get your life back to any extent. If you can share this and anything more about your care there it would be appreciated very much
Jess

Hi Jess, I wanted to try to reply in a little more detail than I was able to last night.
You asked if I felt the trip up to OMI was worth it and if I had gotten my life back and I will tell you that it was absolutely worth it and that I am still in the process of trying to get my life back b/c this is still an illness with no cure or quick fix.

I've tried several different treatments and am currently taking Valcyte and have had more improvements in the last 2.5 weeks than on any other treatment. I have a separate thread on Valcyte if you want to read about it. The reason I recommend Dr. Kaufman and OMI so highly is that they will never give up on you no matter how complex your case is.

You will be treated with complete respect and dignity and you will gain back a sense of hope that you have a doctor and center who believes in you and believes in what they are doing.

They have a cutting edge team of scientists at OMF working to solve this illness and in addition to the great clinical care they provide, they are really focused on the bigger picture of discovering the biomarker or mechanism behind the illness (although sadly they do not yet have the funding to do all the wonderful research that they envision.)

And assuming you have a U.S. insurance, then your blood tests should be covered. In my case we were able to drive there in 6-7 hours so did not have to pay for air fare and we got a cheap hotel. The most expensive part will be paying for Valcyte in the future but I am prepared to do this and if it continues to help me as much as it has so far, it is well worth it.

Hope this helps and best wishes if you decide to go!
 

jeff_w

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@jess100 -

I agree 100% with everything @Gingergrrl said.

I'll add something I've said to you before, because it's worth repeating: Now is the best time for you to go to a CFS/ME specialist. You haven't had a massive disabling crash yet, and you're not bedridden. I wish I could turn back the clock so that I could see Dr. Kaufman when I was still at your stage of illness.

Good luck! :cool:
 

sueami

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Echoing Jeff and Gingergrrl, I read stories on here for 6 months of people debilitiated by bedbound crashes, urging me and others to get in before we got to that state. I didn't want to think I could ever get to that state so I pushed that out of my mind. But I also didn't feel like I was "sick enough" to justify the cost and appt. Now I am bedbound and getting there is many times harder for me.
 

Folk

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Just called the office today. What a lovely assitant haha

She gave me more information than most doctors did till now :nerd:

She commented on Rituximab, Antivirals and Antibiotics

Just in case anyone is wondering:
Dr. Kaufman have a 1 month waiting list and Dr. Kogelnik have a 3 month waiting list.

Now I need to figure it out what to do next (basically, Kaufman, Kogelnik or De Meirleir).
I'm so done taking major life decisions...
 

Folk

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2 questions:

@jeff_w you said you started LDN before seeing Dr. Kaufman. Do you happen to know what's his thoughts about it? Does he prescribe it?

and, anyone knows if Dr. Kaufman also does Rituximab if he thinks it's the case?