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MTHFR with normal Figlu on NutrEval

Discussion in 'General Symptoms' started by Natalija, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. Natalija

    Natalija

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    I am compound heterozygous MTHFR.

    My NutrEval shows normal Figlu (folate levels, right?)
    Does that mean I do not have a methylation issue? Or that the MTHFR is not expressing itself?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Sushi

    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    It just means that one type of active folate is normal. Being heterozygous for one MTHFR SNP doesn't necessarily mean that it will give you trouble--it just means to be on the alert, take active folate instead of folic acid. Methylation involves more than folate. Look at your NutrEval for Methylmalonate--this is a marker for active B12--the other most important factor in methylation.

    Edit: and most importantly, look at your glutathione levels.
     
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  3. Natalija

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    Thanks, Sushi.
    A practitioner I just consulted with looked at the Figlu and since it was normal, said the MTHFr is not an issue.... But I wanted to get more feedback on that.

    My MMA is 1.5 on a range up to 1.9. Showing in the yellow/borderline area. Yet the first page overview said I am in high need for B12. I am so confused! (My recent serum B12 level was normal and a couple years ago, it was off the charts high while taking 1,000 mg methyl B12 lozenges daily. As a result, I was advised to stop taking the B12 despite being vegan. However I now think it is not getting into my cells.

    I am sorry as I don't know where to post things on here!
    Where should I post my NutrEval results to get opinions?

    Thanks!
     
  4. Sushi

    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    If you have adequate active B12, MMA should be close to zero. Higher values, show greater deficiencies.
    Serum B12 is usually a pretty meaningless test as it tests total B12--much of which is not bio-available. MMA is a much better test and according to this test, you are deficient.
    You can post it under methylation or under lab tests. Do look at your glutathione results though, as that an extremely important value in methylation.
     
  5. Natalija

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    Thank you for your explanation! It is confusing when it is in "the green". I appreciate your help.

    Any thoughts on how to get the B12 into my cells?

    I do have 3 ++ FUT2, and several MTR/MTRR SNPs plus compound heterozygous MTHFR... all which I think can affect B12. SO much to learn!

    Edited to add: I was advised by a practitioner to stop taking B12 and take tocotrienols to get the B12 from my blood into my cells. Does anyone have any feedback on that??

    Maybe I need a different form of B12? I just can't solve this mystery!
     
  6. Natalija

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    PS- my glutathione is almost in the red!
     
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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    Then according to this test your methylation has some problems.
     
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    Valentijn Senior Member

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    It's the actual SNPs that are important, not just that they're on the gene. It helps to list them by rs number.
     
  9. Valentijn

    Valentijn Senior Member

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    These aren't really involved in methylation. Yasko believes they're important in determining response to methyl units in supplements, but there's nothing to support that, and it's frequently contradicted by patient reports. As an example of Yasko's quackery, she reports a VDR SNP backwards regarding risk, resulting in literally everyone having a supposed VDR problem. And that MAOA SNP isn't capable of doing anything.

    This might have a large impact on methylB12 recycling.

    These do little or nothing.

    These have identical prevalence rates in various samples, so they are basically just one SNP having an impact. rs601338 is probably the relevant one, since it's a stop-gain mutation, prematurely terminating the gene product (assuming your genotype is AA). But it's extremely common, especially in Europeans, and while it results in lower B12 levels, it's a pretty minor change in levels, which wouldn't cause a deficiency, though might provide a minor contribution to a deficiency.
     
  10. Natalija

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    Valentinjin,

    So if the MTRR may be the cause of not using the B12 properly, what is one to do? I saw the info about buildin gup lithium levels first. Your thoughts?
    Thanks!
     
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    Sushi Senior Member Albuquerque

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    @Valentijn
     
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  12. Natalija

    Natalija

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    Thanks Sushi!
     
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    Valentijn Senior Member

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    It might indicate that B12 supplementation would be helpful, especially if not eating much meat.

    I haven't heard of this, and I have no idea what the rationale for it would be.
     

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