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MRC awards the psychiatric department at King's College a third of a million for CFS research

Discussion in 'Latest ME/CFS Research' started by Countrygirl, Jul 19, 2015.

  1. Countrygirl

    Countrygirl ME is not MUS

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    Would you describe your experience of ME as being 'tired and run down'? No, neither would I. Whoever wrote this sentence has no concept of how a person with ME 'feels'.

    The psychiatric department at King's College London (now who is it that works there? :() has been awarded a third of a million pounds by the MRC to undertake the research below. Now why couldn't they give it to some serious and appropriate research into the actual disease ME? Well, I guess we can all provide some answers to that.:p:whistle:



    http://gtr.rcuk.ac.uk/project/F3584D06-7F9C-44E0-A049-B66D08452816

     
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  2. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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  3. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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  4. worldbackwards

    worldbackwards A unique snowflake

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    Ah Trudie! We meet again...
     
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  5. Sidereal

    Sidereal Senior Member

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    If I understand the webpage correctly, that study was funded in 2012.
     
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  6. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    I found the description a bit 'wall o'text' so I've broken it up for easier reading:

     
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  7. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Sounds very biomedical to me...
     
  8. Valentijn

    Valentijn The Diabolic Logic

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    Wow, quite a quack-fest! I suppose the purpose will be to prove that there is no difference between fatigue patients and healthy people (except our beliefs that we are ill), and/or CBT regulates the immune system. A suitable methodology will be developed to guarantee one or both of these outcomes.
     
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  9. TiredSam

    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    Why on earth, if they are really studying the immune system, isn't the money going to the immunology department, instead of the psychiatric department, who for some reason put "immune system" in quotation marks as if there is some doubt as to its existence?
     
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  10. Valentijn

    Valentijn The Diabolic Logic

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    Except that they're basing it on fatigue patients, while calling it CFS, and will undoubtedly equate it to ME in the process.

    Several of the authors are well-known psychobabblers who are in the habit of (deliberately?) producing negative results when carrying out very limited biological research.
     
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  11. maryb

    maryb iherb code TAK122

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    'Chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) is a medical condition in which patients feel persistently and overwhelmingly tired and run down, both physically and mentally'

    this has never described my illness from the day it struck me down.........what on earth are they talking about, dolts, all of them.
     
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  12. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Annie Gsampel

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    Yes, it's an old one. It was one of the five studies the MRC funded several years ago.

    Warning: no ME/CFS patients were included in this study!

    It used Hep C patients administered interferon-alpha as a model for CFS (interferon-alpha induces fatigue in most people.) So they studied fatigue that might have something or nothing to do with us.
     
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  13. Valentijn

    Valentijn The Diabolic Logic

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    A comment from Carmine Pariente in December 2012, regarding someone else's paper:
    http://www.biomedcentral.com/imedia/1169912504863162_comment.pdf
     
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  14. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    Sounds like the psychobabble explanation is already being prepared.

    The study description sounds fine but it's the people involved that are toxic and have an agenda.
     
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  15. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    Some of the authors don't inspire confidence but do we know what the inclusion criteria are?
     
  16. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Annie Gsampel

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    They seem only to be aware of the Oxford research criteria - hence it's perfectly acceptable (in their own minds) to study any fatigued people they chose and call it a CFS study.

    They certainly don't appear to be acquainted with UK clinical criteria for ME/CFS.
     
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  17. Sasha

    Sasha Fine, thank you

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    My bad - I misread it and thought they were following up Hep C patients who had developed CFS. Not the kind of study I thought it was.
     
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  18. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    'This phenomenon strikingly resembles CFS, which, as mentioned above, also persists after the infective/immune trigger has been eliminated.'

    Ah, jumping to conclusions, the hallmark of good science.
     
  19. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    I think you are supposed to say something like 'this resembles CFS, which is also believed to persist after the infective/immune trigger has been eliminated.'

    Of course, I learnt that from reading dozens and dozens of scientific papers, so perhaps I am expecting too much.
     
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  20. msf

    msf Senior Member

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    'Specifically, infections are always accompanied by acute fatigue and flu-like symptoms, as a consequence of the infection-driven immune activation; however, in patients with CFS the immune activation and the associated fatigue and flu-like symptoms persist for months or years.'

    Wait a minute, I feel a thought coming on, yes, wait a minute, no, it's gone again...
     
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