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Mfolate + Mb12/hydb12 giving me intense diarrheas

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by Irwin, Sep 12, 2015.

  1. Irwin

    Irwin

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    When I use super b12 alone (half hydcbl - half mcbl) I start to feel bad in 3 days: shortned breath, “internal” pain (like a pain in the spinal nerve, it’s weird). The same effects occur when I use JUST ONE tablet of Source Naturals Men's Life Force (when I use it, the effects are much more intense and painful). Composition: 1, 2.

    Ok, few days ago I started to do some experiments with folate. I used 400mcg mfolate (quatrefolic) + ½ dropper of super b12 (0.5mg hydcbl + 0.5mg methylcbl) and felt nothing. Then 4 hours later I used 100mg Niacin and wow. My breath increased a lot. No flush, only tickles in the hand. My physical resistance really improved, more mental clarity and a great improvement in my breath. No more nocturne hypoglycemia, I got very good nights of restful sleep. The effects lasted 4 days then I used 400mcg mfolate + ½ dropper of superb12 and… the good effects appeared without niacin. I was enjoying, then did the same thing 2 days later and this gave me a diarrhea, but not intense, just 1 trip to the bath and some strange 'scratches' in my gut. 1 day later used mfolate and b12 again, but this time 1 entire dropper of b12 (2mg) and wow. 4 hours later I started to shake, felt very weak, and the next day things worsened. I was like a mummy, almost fainting when walking, intense nausea. The next day intense diarrhea started and lasted for 3 days! Abdominal pain, like something was ‘scratching’ all my gut. Total lack of motivation and appetite. Seems b12 is dictating the rules. I used 50mg niacin between these days, but I don't think this is the culprit.

    I read some topics, Freddd says what I think is detox in the reality is folate/potassium deficiency or methyl trap. I don’t think it is methyl trap because I used b12. My stools are yellowish, I read this happens when one is deficient in folate (it assists in bile production that darkens the stools). I just can’t undertand:

    Why small doses of methyl folate may cause mfolate deficiency? How can mfolate reduce more my folate levels? This scares me, if I use small doses and feel awful, why higher doses won’t give me worst symptons? I don’t think I can tolarate higher doses… this is gonna kill me, this intense diarrhea dehydrated me a lot! Higher doses may give me much powerful diarrheas. I need to titrate, but before I increase my dose I’m sure I’ll have diarrhea cause I’ll be using mb12 and mfolate in a sequence of days. I also can’t undertand why diarrhea would occur if I’m potassium deficient, this would let me more deficient. Sorry for noobish questions.

    note: in my daily basis I don't eat gluten and dairy, but a few grains. I don't have gut problems.
     
  2. Draves

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    You say you have used b12 in conjuction with folate but have you used potassium as mentioned? At least 1 g a day? This is very interesting you have yellow stools, I too myself have a yellow stools for long time, but have never heard of folate deficiency being connected to it. Where did you read it?

    I too myself I'm somewhat stuck with protocl. I don't know 100% if I have mtfhr but will know soon. Have you considered testing 23andme?

    How's your back pain, do you have any?
     
  3. TheChosenOne

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    Diarrhea is a detox reaction (or possibly an allergic reaction?). Do you have diarrhea otherwise?
     
  4. Irwin

    Irwin

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    I haven't used potassium, this is a mistake. Is there an relation between diarrhea and potassium deficiency?
    The amount of bile in your stools affect the color. I don't know exactly if folate deficiency is directly related to it, I'm sorry I can't give you the precise information, although folate is related to bile flow . I've noted (as this guy), my feces were much darker at the first time I used mfolate + b12.
    I haven't back pain.

    Diarrhea is rare for me, it occurs just when I'm really sick (bacterial infection). Maybe it's a real detox reaction, cause my liver started to really function. Although, Freddd doesn't approve this idea. The idea of folate deficiency caused by my use of mfolate scares me.
     

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