Hi!
I spent the weekend trying to make sense of my lab testings concerning particulary the methylation cycles.
I guess I found out sth. Hard to explain in English but I do my very best.
As I am very low in methionine I stumbled about something called the methionine cycle. It's entirely new stuff for me. There seem to be some typical "error sources" in converting homocysteine to methionine, like defiencies in active Folate, B12 and B6. B6 is especially important concerning the transsulfuration pathway (and producing glutathione needed for detox).
So I looked at my lab tests: the substances I am defient in, the normal ones and the elevated ones.
I am low in methionine. But why? Often the cause is a (functional) deficiency in B6, B12 and folate. But if that was the cause, doesn't homocysteine has to be elevated? Or methylmalonat? It's normal in my case.
I also noticed I have very, very elevated levels of glutathione (overall glutathione elevated, also reduced one, oxidiced one normal). Ok, but why do I have normal to elevated levels of glutathione why all the other substances which require methionine or its active form s-adenosylmethionine are defient (like taurine, l-caritine, Q19, melatonine, epinephrine and others).
IF there was a b6 deficiency I should not have enough cysteine or glutathione.
IF I was defient in B12 there should be elevated methylmalonat.
IF I was absolutely defient in methionine and B6, I sould also be defient in glutathione and cysteine.
So my guess is: My body is actually able to degrade homocysteine to methionine. BUT: all the methionine is easily "branched off" for glutathione production (my body seems to prioritize detoxing), leaving not enough over for the other methionine-dependent processes like methylation by SAMe.
That would also describe my muscle weakness/pain, as I am very defient in Q10 and L-carnitine (both being dependend on methyl groups from SAMe). Also the degradation from norepinephrine to epinephrine needs a methyl group what explains why I am high in dopamine & norepinephrine (comt polymorphism!) and very, very low in epinephrine.
But one question still remains: why does my body use up this much gluthathione?
I have very high citrulline, indicating nitrostaive stress. I have also leaky gut. And I don't know about heavy metals and other toxins in my body.
But to me it seems as there is a great need for detoxification and therefore methylation via SAMe is slowed down. Maybe it's only one peace of the whole picture.
But where to start with?
- supplementing the "raw material", methionine?
- supplementing SAMe (could be critical as I have the slow comt and am very sensitive to dopamine, norepinephrine)
- supplementing glutathione (but does this make sense as my glutatione does not seem to be depleted?)
- supplementing B-vitamins to make methionine out of homocysteine faster (or more oft it?)
- and, probably most improtant: finding out why I have to detox so much (but how??)
Ok, I hope it became a bit clear what I wanted to explain. Not easy for me in a foreign language
I spent the weekend trying to make sense of my lab testings concerning particulary the methylation cycles.
I guess I found out sth. Hard to explain in English but I do my very best.
As I am very low in methionine I stumbled about something called the methionine cycle. It's entirely new stuff for me. There seem to be some typical "error sources" in converting homocysteine to methionine, like defiencies in active Folate, B12 and B6. B6 is especially important concerning the transsulfuration pathway (and producing glutathione needed for detox).
So I looked at my lab tests: the substances I am defient in, the normal ones and the elevated ones.
I am low in methionine. But why? Often the cause is a (functional) deficiency in B6, B12 and folate. But if that was the cause, doesn't homocysteine has to be elevated? Or methylmalonat? It's normal in my case.
I also noticed I have very, very elevated levels of glutathione (overall glutathione elevated, also reduced one, oxidiced one normal). Ok, but why do I have normal to elevated levels of glutathione why all the other substances which require methionine or its active form s-adenosylmethionine are defient (like taurine, l-caritine, Q19, melatonine, epinephrine and others).
IF there was a b6 deficiency I should not have enough cysteine or glutathione.
IF I was defient in B12 there should be elevated methylmalonat.
IF I was absolutely defient in methionine and B6, I sould also be defient in glutathione and cysteine.
So my guess is: My body is actually able to degrade homocysteine to methionine. BUT: all the methionine is easily "branched off" for glutathione production (my body seems to prioritize detoxing), leaving not enough over for the other methionine-dependent processes like methylation by SAMe.
That would also describe my muscle weakness/pain, as I am very defient in Q10 and L-carnitine (both being dependend on methyl groups from SAMe). Also the degradation from norepinephrine to epinephrine needs a methyl group what explains why I am high in dopamine & norepinephrine (comt polymorphism!) and very, very low in epinephrine.
But one question still remains: why does my body use up this much gluthathione?
I have very high citrulline, indicating nitrostaive stress. I have also leaky gut. And I don't know about heavy metals and other toxins in my body.
But to me it seems as there is a great need for detoxification and therefore methylation via SAMe is slowed down. Maybe it's only one peace of the whole picture.
But where to start with?
- supplementing the "raw material", methionine?
- supplementing SAMe (could be critical as I have the slow comt and am very sensitive to dopamine, norepinephrine)
- supplementing glutathione (but does this make sense as my glutatione does not seem to be depleted?)
- supplementing B-vitamins to make methionine out of homocysteine faster (or more oft it?)
- and, probably most improtant: finding out why I have to detox so much (but how??)
Ok, I hope it became a bit clear what I wanted to explain. Not easy for me in a foreign language
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