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Meet the medical student who wants to bring down Dr. Oz

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by Firestormm, Jul 15, 2014.

  1. Mia Dit

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    Hi Catly,

    Yes, It's Friesian. They are so beautiful.
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  2. IreneF

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    Whatever Oz's motivations might be, he's convinced at least one person to do something that may have serious repercussions for her health. Green coffee extract is still "promising" whereas oral diabetes drugs have demonstrated effects. If you're overweight but healthy, go ahead and try the green coffee extract, but when you have a life-threatening disease, don't you think you're better off with a proven medication?

    Everyone wants something natural, safe, and inexpensive. Probably everyone here has tried one of those. Did it work? For how long?
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    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    I have to assume that she's intelligent enough to watch her blood glucose when making the change.

    Tc ... x
  4. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Senior Member

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    She did not make a change from oral diabetes medications to green-coffee supplements, she never started on the oral diabetes medication in the first place.

    Without oral diabetes medicine, which her doctor recommended, she may or may not watch her blood glucose as it continues to climb upwards. I would assume that her well-meaning doctor recommended oral diabetes medications because she was already having high blood glucose measurements in spite of her attempts to control or "watch" it with diet.

    I think this patient's disregard of her doctor's advice shows mistrust of her doctor, but you can believe otherwise if you wish.
  5. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Patients ignore medical advice everyday. Even those who trust their doctors.

    This story is hearsay anyways. We don't know what was said.

    I remember hearing a disclaimer on the Dr Oz show. He considers his show edutainment.

    Adults can be expected to know what this means.

    Tc ... x
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  6. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Senior Member

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    Is this also hearsay?
    http://www.vox.com/2014/7/12/5891451/meet-the-medical-student-who-wants-to-bring-down-dr-oz-quackery

  7. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Senior Member

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    Big Pharma Sales Agent Dr. Oz Pimps Vaccines on Public After Not Vaccinating His Own Children

    http://www.infowars.com/big-pharma-...ublic-after-not-vaccinating-his-own-children/
    June 8, 2012



    Conflicts of interest? Dr. Mehmet Oz owns 150,000 option shares in vaccine technology company

    http://www.naturalnews.com/027451_vaccine_RealAge_technology.html

  8. beaker

    beaker CFS/ME 1986

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    He once recommended drinking tea to treat CFS.
  9. CFS_for_19_years

    CFS_for_19_years Senior Member

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    Here's an older thread about what Dr. Oz has said about CFS/ME:

    forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/bob-miller-asking-for-comments-to-dr-oz.22071

    An article published in Feb 2013 by Drs. Oz and Roizen recommended CBT and GET along with seeing a specialist for CFS/ME:
    http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2013/02/drs_oz_and_roizen_new_treatmen.html

  10. xchocoholic

    xchocoholic Senior Member

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    Dr Oz clearly states his info is for edutainment.

    All of the adults I know, know what this means.

    I'm not going to continue posting here. It's a waste of my time.

    Tc .. x
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  11. TigerLilea

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    Meds for diabetes are not without side-effects. I think people should try natural ways of getting their numbers down and only resort to prescription meds if all else fails (unless their numbers are critical then they should use both and hopefully get to the point that the meds can be discontinued). My BF's dad went through hell because of his oral diabetes medication. He did not have any quality of life his last few years. And this wasn't someone who was overweight. I've had a couple of family members who were diagnosed with diabetes but were able to get their numbers back in the normal range without the use of meds so it can be done.
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    The world is every person for themselves. Make your own choices what to trust and what to ignore. Or let someone decide for you. The most important thing for these people is control. If you think your health is their priority, you're ignorant.
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  13. Dreambirdie

    Dreambirdie work in progress

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    Overall, I like Dr Oz for many reasons, but especially because he was the ONLY popular tv show host willing to do a segment on XMRV back in 2009, when the Science paper was first published. And he was clearly empathetic towards those of us with disease, which (as we all know) is a very rare thing among people in the media.

    I helped to make that happen with an email writing campaign that I started on this forum. I was able to round up Dr. Donnica Moore to be one of his guests, and I contributed ideas to her talking points. No, it wasn't perfect. He didn't get the part about exercise being bad for severe ME patients. But at least he was willing to put ME/CFS and XMRV as the opening segment on his show, which has 6 million viewers. That says a lot.

    Oprah, 60 Minutes, and 20/20 were NEVER willing to do a segment like this. Oz deserves credit for his willingness to do so.

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  14. CFS_for_19_years

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    @Dreambirdie, I referenced the thread where you discussed Dr. Oz here:
    forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/bob-miller-asking-for-comments-to-dr-oz.22071

    At the time, Dr. Oz wasn't making "magical" claims for any particular supplement that would cure CFS.

    The OP brought up a medical student's desire to hold medical doctors to a high standard when they are discussing medical claims for supplements. This could apply to any doctor having access to the media and an audience of 5 million people. The medical student (and other New York state doctors) felt that Dr. Oz's statements about supplements overstated their efficacy and caused some people to choose Dr. Oz's advice over their personal physicians' advice and placed their health at risk. It's not about "liking" or not liking Dr. Oz, but the effect he is having on the decisions people are making about their health.

    I'm all for supplements and there are many that come to mind that are beneficial for diabetes such as alpha lipoic acid, chromium, carnosine, cinnamon and many others. That's all in addition to diet and exercise. I bet that if that same patient profiled in the original article came in and said, "I've done my research and I'm going to pay close attention to my diet, exercise 60 minutes a day, join a weight-loss program and take the advice of a naturopath as to which dietary supplements will help me most, take blood sugar readings X times per day, and see how much I can lower my blood sugar that way, and will consider oral diabetes medication if I can't get my blood sugar to come down," the medical student and the supervising doctor might have responded differently. We don't know what was said at that visit, but other New York doctors felt Dr. Oz was not doing their patients any favors either.

    Doctors are now very used to patients getting a lot of information (and misinformation) from the Internet. I think when a person with an advanced degree (MD, JD, Ph.D) is in the media as much as Dr. Oz is, their claims should be held to a higher standard than what is available on the Internet. A good comparison is the claims that an expert witness can make. Would Dr. Oz take the witness stand and swear that supplement ABC does XYZ, or does he just want to make TV fun?

    I find that Judge Judy does a good job of quoting the law every day at 4 p.m. but I would still consult a lawyer and not try to rely on a few Judge Judy episodes to keep me out of harm's way.

    When I was working as a medical technologist, I was taking a blood sample from a patient in the hospital who only had one leg and his doctor came in and told him they were going to have to amputate the other one. "Oh doc, oh no, not my other leg!!" This was due to complications of diabetes. I also had a friend who took care of her diabetic grandmother with one leg (helped her shower, dress, etc.) The doctor told them the other leg had to come off. An RN told me that diabetics die an inch at a time.
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  15. Ema

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    Before supplements, start with what we call food in this country and the woeful diagnostic criteria for diabetes first.

    How many people could reverse their diabetes with diet and exercise changes if caught early enough? But most doctors refuse to do anything until it is too late. No one should have a fasting blood sugar over 100 and not be having serious discussions about lifestyle changes with their doctor but that almost never happens. Refusing meds isn't what got most T2 diabetics into their mess. Conventional medicine played a large part too so kudos to anyone talking about alternatives to explore.

    Possibly Medicare *should* pick up the tab considering the government helped create the problem in the first place by placing emphasis (and tax incentives) on processed, unnatural foods over healthy ones.
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  16. Dreambirdie

    Dreambirdie work in progress

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    If you want to stop the diabetes epidemic, then call for a stop to eating processed garbage food full of sugar. Sugar really is toxic, and the cause of most obesity, T2 diabetes, hypertension and heart disease, and according to stats 75% of that is preventable. Dr Oz is not the only one who addresses this. There was also this report on 60 Minutes.

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