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Medical marijuana & pots

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by sillysocks84, Apr 8, 2016.

  1. sillysocks84

    sillysocks84 Senior Member

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    I find its effects paradoxical. I just vaporize ordinary cannabis (0.1g a day). It often seems to knock me out for a bit but after 30mins or so I'm on my feet and can do some lighter strength training or exercise. Without marijuana I would just be on my back for the rest of the evening.

    It also is good for clearing brain fog and improving creativity although this effect seems to be relatively short lived... Maybe an hour or so? Redosing can the bring my brain back once the effect starts wearing off but by this time I believe the secondary effects or marijuana have begun so it's hard to keep the cognition enchanting effect going
     
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    I'm unclear about what exactly is being affected, but I'm finding marijuana makes me feel better. At first I thought it was about antioxidants, maybe it's also about POTS. There are many effects/benefits from cannabinoids, so many ways it might be helping.
     
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    I find it lowers my blood pressure and weakens me. I wish it could say which strain she used.
    So far have not found a strain that helps but I have tried only 8 strains. Too expensive to try a lot.
    Maybe I need to search more.
     
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    sillysocks84 Senior Member

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    Interesting. Do you use it for pots or me or something else?
     
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    sillysocks84 Senior Member

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    Can you describe how it make you feel better. Can it slow your HR?
     
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    Maybe a strain wouldn't effect BP. My BP started low with my pots. Now it is getting higher so I Def wouldn't mind it to lower it a bit. I really don't want high bp. This disease can stop developing any time. I'm done :-(
     
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    I'm a bit too fried this morning to search for my sources, but I read one good paper that described the varied effects that MJ has on the circulatory system. AIR, it might raise or lower BP depending on the strength of the dosage and on the time from administration.

    Anecdotally, I'm lead to believe that if it's going to cause a BP drop it will more likely happen within the first hour. After that, it seems less likely, even if more is administered.

    This is one of those things where everyone will be different and of course it will probably vary by strain as well.
     
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    For me personally I would say THC a very important part of the medicine. If you read about it, it is the energy and cognitive enhancing chemical. Those 2 things are the most helpful effects I get from marijuana. I haven't tried anything CDB only so I can't compare to that unfortunately
     
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    Thc would probably be to exciting for my system. Caffeine and chocolate give me palpitations.
     
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    I've been been having difficulty trying to differentiate my current symptoms. It's more of an overall feeling of 'I feel yuk" moving into "I feel better". Not about energy levels. Includes a tightness in my head, superficial breathing, generalized, non-specific discomfort. Not gut or musculo-skelatal. I'm not sure about HR. When I review the days I was monitoring BP frequently, my notes are far from complete, but I don't notice any significant change related to mj.


    http://www.zamnesia.com/content/284-vaporizer-temperatures-
    There‘s a temperature range in which different compounds of cannabis are released, each showing unique


    http://www.truthonpot.com/2012/11/01/cannabis-a-powerful-antioxidant/

     
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    Owl42 Psychedelic bird

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    I've been using cannabis for some years mostly for pain and as a help with neurological symptoms and fatigue. I think the best effects came from its action in NMDA receptors, reducing glutamate release. But lately, as I got better from the FM symptoms and I started to get more adrenaline and with this, some more energy... Well, I don't know exactly what is better, but something is, and other things remain bad, like gastrointestinal problems. But now weed makes me really wrong, it can relieve some gut disconfort but brings really bad feelings, raises anxiety but most of all I get some very disturbing sensations in the chest, the throat and the head. Breathing, heart rate and other things that I relate to the vagus nerve are affected and I've found some info on CB1 receptors inhibiting vagus nerve action.

    As I said weed has helped me a lot for some time, but now that my body is in a different state it makes things worse. So we should take it with care, try not to abuse (it helps to avoid depression but tolerance grows fast) and more research on it is needed, but prohibition and the novelty of the cannabinoid system discovery make it hard to happen.
     
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    hmmm I wonder if this might be your problem Owl? According to the research small amounts of marijuana can act as an antidepressant but higher amounts can have the opposite effect and lead to depression.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071023183937.htm

    I've been able to maintain 0.1g daily in a vaporizer and tolerance hasn't really been as issue for me
     
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    Owl42 Psychedelic bird

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    @panckage the symptoms I'm feeling now aren't from depression but a much more disgusting and I think severe condition. It is a really bad reaction from any dose and I know some other PWME suffer that kind of thing even without having consumed weed ever before.

    I'm just saying, use it if you really need it for pain, mental fatigue, neuroinflamation... but we could do much better with more info so we know exactly how to use it and what for!

    Also, eating or consuming oil extraction is a better way of administration, for weed, even vaporized has a bad effect in lungs, making them less efficent immunologicaly. http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/abs/10.1164/ajrccm.156.5.9704146#.VwtxE7TV7ik
     
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    Thank you for sharing! Eating or using oil probably would be a healthier way to get the benefits. MM is probably something I'll never be able to try anyway.
     
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    I've legally been experimenting with medical marijuana this past year. I'm finding that I do best with 1:1 ratio of CBD:THC. I also did well on a high CBD to low THC ratio. The high THC no CBD doesn't work for me, in fact it makes my neuro symptoms worse. Straight CBD without THC does nothing for me. A sativa or sativa dominant hybrids are my preferred strains.

    I prefer to use edibles or tinctures. The sensation from smoking or even vaporizing for me is too over powering, too much too fast for my senses. The effects from edibles are more gradual and last for a longer duration, but do take longer to kick in. I sometimes get decent pain coverage and a bit of energy from a 2-5 mg dose while able to keep a fairly clear head ( even on brain fog days.)

    If I want to get to sleep fast, I will occasionally vaporize a high THC indica dominant strain. It can knock me out for a good three hours of sleep.

    Be willing to experiment with strains and dosage if you are going to give it a trial. Remember, you can always have too little, but if you have too much it can be real unpleasant until it wears off.
     
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    Skippa Anti-BS

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    Dat thread title though...
     
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    Evidence? The link does not even mention vaporization. It is also from 1997 and says Marijuana may be bad for cancer when newer research says the opposite
     
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  20. Owl42

    Owl42 Psychedelic bird

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    @panckage Marijuana is good for some cancers, but it is proven to increase lung cancer risk. I'm not in a state that lets me do many things right now, writing this is being a little too much. :/ You can research it in google and google scholar.
     

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