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ME Cure Clinic, Bedford - any experience?

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by cookiecream, May 31, 2013.

  1. cookiecream

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    Hello.
    I've recently been made aware of the ME CLINIC based in Bedford.
    Some quick research reveals this is also known as The Kaizen Clinic, led by Greg Wimbourne.
    They claim to treat chronic fatigue by using the viral infection responsible for it.
    Key tools appear to involve Bio-Electric Functions Diagnosis.
    Is anyone familiar with this clinic and / or the consultant?
    Thanks for your help
    Claire
    PS please note I'm a newcomer to this Forum so apologies in advance if I'm breaking any Forum rules!
    I would like to know more about them before parting with any money.
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  2. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    Welcome to the forum. That seems very wise to me. I cannot provide any help, but there is a good chance someone can.
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    Their refund offer sounds like a pile of poo. Basically if their notes say you have improved compared to your answers on an entry questionnaire, then there's no refund. They decide how you feel, not you.

    I think the deception involved in the "money back guarantee" and their complete control over assessing how you feel is a very bad sign.
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  4. Kina

    Kina Moderation Team Lead

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    Phoenix Rising was contacted by the Clinic regarding their 'money back guarantee'. They said:

    This a correction, not an endorsement of the clinic. I suppose for me, I would have to know what they mean by 'significant improvement'.
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  5. Valentijn

    Valentijn Activity Level: 3

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    Nonetheless, it does sound like quit an improvement :)
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    SOC Back to work (easy, part-time work)

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    I don't think I've experienced, seen, or heard of more than a couple of treatments which provide anything resembling "SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT" in 2 months. In fact, the only one that comes immediately to mind is POTS treatment which has helped some people get noticeable improvement in a relatively short time frame. However, I've never heard of anyone, say, going back to work after 2 months of POTS treatment unless their only problem was primary POTS (not ME/CFS).

    The guarantee as corrected should reduce the risk factor somewhat. I'd still be cautious simply because "SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT" in 2 months is rare in ME/CFS even with all our long-term specialists throwing their best effort at the problem. I'd be more inclined to believe 6 months, which is a time-frame which allows some of the known treatments to have a significant effect. Even that's pretty short given the complexity of the illness and they number of body systems affected.

    I don't buy the Bio-Electric Diagnostics thing, either, but that's just me. I prefer more rigorously studied and scientifically validated methods if I'm going to dump large sums of money.

    I'd weigh my sense of risk, given the corrected guarantee, against the amount of money I thought I could afford to lose on this experiment.
  7. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    I'd want to know what that astarisk refers to.
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    Sometimes clinics or a treatment insist that you continue for xx period of time even if you are deteriorating. That would need to be checked if interested in a money back guarantee. That's what happened when an Aloe Vera company contacted one of our London ME groups offering a money back guarantee after xx months. The patient had to continue paying and using the product for that entire period of time before they could get a refund - even if they had a bad reaction.

    I've no experience of the clinic but their website appears to have fallen into the similar cure claims as the Lighning Process one did and this could be referred to the Advertising Standards Commision. For example, it says it is a cure and a "tried and tested, safe, natural route back to full health". That's quite a claim to make.
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    From their site:
    "Treament Fees" are defined as:
    I think the two-month limit is the biggest remaining problem with the guarantee. They say their remedies take 3-12 months to work, so you have to decide to stop before you even really get started, and you're still out the 86 pounds for the initial consult. There's also unlikely to have been much in the way of eligible treatment fees incurred yet at the 2 month limit.

    They also don't say how they test for or treat pathogens. Using electronic impulse measurements for allergies is not particularly faith-inspiring for other areas :p Regarding treatment they won't give any specifics and say it's using potentisation, which really just means they pretend to treat things with homeopathy.

    So it's basically faith-healing, rather than medicine. Nice enough if that's your thing, but it's a bit annoying that they're so coy about saying it.
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  10. Esther12

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    The whole thing looks ridiculous. Thanks to those who looked into it.
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    This kind of thing gets my goat, is dangerous, and wholly unrealistic. Appeals to the desperate: like what I was - though I never went to these people but was suckered into 'allergy testing' and 'treatment' in the belief such things were responsible for my ME. Homeopathy run amok. They have no right claiming a cure. Really makes me angry :mad:
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    Screwing a black ram under the dark of the moon will cure the Black Death!
    Centuries have passed, little has changed :p
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    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    It also misleads the healthy into believing that we can be easily cured and there just must be something wrong with those of us who do not do so. :mad:
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    And don't get me started on their use of the term 'pathogens' and there 'testing' techniques; let alone 'cures'. These people are going DOWN!
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    I had a look at the General Medical Council website and the name "Wimbourne" does not seem to be in their online register. It does say however that the absence from the list does not mean a doctor is not registered ("This does not mean the doctor you are looking for is not registered; there may simply be a problem with the name, or the GMC reference number, or the doctor's details may have been temporarily excluded while we update them."
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    He is a 'Clinical Homeopath'.
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    Well, in the UK, "consultant" is the title of a senior physician who has completed all of his or her specialist training and been placed on the specialist register in their chosen speciality. Mr Wimbourne's use of the term "consultant" is clearly misleading and gives the impression that he is a medical doctor when in fact he is not. He mentions nowhere that he is a 'clinical Homeopath', he just says Cert.Clin.Hom.
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    Clinical Homeopath comes from his linkedin page -- http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/greg-wimbourne/11/9a6/976
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    Well, nowhere on the site where his money back guarantee is and where his ME treatment is mentioned. The potentially contractual references are on that website managed by him/his clinic, not on any other website managed by a third party.

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