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Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by misskatniss, Nov 1, 2014.

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    It might be time to contact them and tell them why they are full of s**t.
     
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    It is horrible that something like this exists. But knowing about it may help us counter it and similar things.

    As @Kina says - since they claim to want feedback, well reasoned feedback should be provided to them!
     
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    I wrote a comment already, and I´d appreciate if many guys around here make them notice how much crap that statistic is! That´s the perpetuating of We**ely ideology, and every time it is repeated in the net, an algorithm thinks it is more valid. I HATE this simplicistic view!!! Here you can aslo see what perr reviews might be worth... or not... :devil:
     
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    i don't think that websites like that are effective in providing any useful information for most sufferers.
    Health is not easily quantified in a simple statistic by taking the mean or average or whatever. There are a lot of specific things that you need to know and even then it pretty much varies from individual to individual what works and what not.

    you would only use this website if you have something where no obvious cure exists otherwise you could just use wikipedia or ask your neighbor or your physician. You could use the data at best for brainstorming or getting some ideas about certain associations where you could focus your research that's all. another problem is that they don't state how they compute the ranks so you don't even know what a higher ranking exactly means and what variables make the treatment rank higher than others.
     
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    The saying "garbage in, garbage out" fits perfectly here. Feed a computer program with bad data and you get bad results.
     
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    I was trying to work out who is getting what out of this website and how, and why, and well ... all those other w's. Is it a SPAM ad site or a sad geek trying to do their own wikihealthier, or what? Or maybe the computers have taken over the world already?
     
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    it is recommending aluminium as a treatment for autism. also it calls autism , Autisim. Another listed treatment for Autism is Psilocybin. For a burn physical exercise is recommended.

    the best treatment for celiac disease is gliadin.
     
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    Unless, that's the whole point - to get people to write in and put them on a SPAM list?
     
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    It's a search engine that condenses some available information about conditions and treatments. I don't know if it displays ads because I have an ad blocker in my browser. Anyway, with enough traffic, the site could generate some profit via ads and sales of related products.
     
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    it just shows that automated tools are fairly useless when it comes to that kind of problems.
     
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    I can't even read articles like that b/c they get me too angry and annoyed :mad::mad::mad:. If I tried to do aerobic exercise right now I would probably drop dead.
     
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    Their Google+ site only has two followers. One is also in Toronto and works at a company (Cpoint Capital) where he and at least one other employee are also employed by pharmaceutical companies.

    WellPilot seems to provide no information about itself, which is dodgy as hell whether or not they're part of Cpoint Capital. They do say that WellPilot is part of Variant Ventures (licensed in Ontario), but again, there's no information about Variant Ventures.

    The blogs at WellPilot are written by Simon Smith. There's a Simon Smith in Toronto who works for Klick Health, which is involved in digital marketing. Simon Smith's LinkedIn profile says that he is "responsible for portfolio including 10 pharmaceutical drug brands and cross-brand solutions for one of the world's largest pharmaceutical manufacturers. . . ."

    There's a lot of info available regarding Klick Health: "Klick Health is the largest independent digital marketing company in the world, specializing in Health and Biopharma. We are laser focused on creating digital solutions that engage and educate patients, care-givers, and healthcare providers about life-saving treatments."

    So there's one definite pharmaceutical link, and likely a couple others. Though the WellPilot twitter looks a lot more insurance-friendly than pharma friendly - natural and lifestyle remedies are often recommended (plus a few pharma retweets) and antibiotics are discouraged.
     
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    Reminds me of one or two other threads. Maybe it fits the adage that rather than worrying whether it is a cock-up or a conspiracy most things just turn out to be a cocked-up conspiracy!
     
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    Interesting info @Valentijn indeed I notice from day to day more how important it is not only to see internet content but always where it comes from and which are the interests. I got on that site as it was one of the first hits in my Google search on sth, don´t recall exactly what. I had kind of the idea that it might be pharmarelated or sth, and programmed by someone who doesn´t have a clue about science in this field: The way to get an overlook picture for real would NOT be an algorithm but a meta-study with very thorough quality criteria.

    Anyhow I wrote to him, and guess what, he replied. He wants to make it better, asking me how to do this. Oh dear :cool:
     
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    That was my impression also, thanks for the link.
     
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