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Marlènes results of methylation, organic acids and sulphur metabolites

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by Marlène, May 7, 2012.

  1. Marlène

    Marlène Senior Member

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    Metabolites
    SAM (RBC) 222 nmol/dl (221-256)
    SAH (RBC) 53,2 nmol/dl (38-49)
    5-methyl-THF 9,0 nmol/l (8,4-72,6)
    10-formyl-THF 4,1 nmol/l (1,5-8,2)
    THF 0,46 nmol/l (0,6-6,8)
    Folic acid 11,7 nmol/l (8,9-24,6)
    Leucovorine 9,8 nmol/l (9-35,5)
    Folic acid (active RBC) 316 nmol/l (400-1500)
    Methylcobalamin 37 pmol/l (95-500)

    VITAMINE INDICATORS
    MMA B12 0,50 mmol/mcr (0-5)
    Pyridoxic B6 1,50 mmol/mcr (2-26)
    Panthotenic B5 0,87 mmol/mcr (1-4)
    Glutaric acid B2 0,27 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    3-hydroxy-3-methylglutaric acid Q10 8 mmol/mcr (0-36)
    NAC 0,02 mmol/mcr (0,02-0,28)
    Methylcitric B7 1,27 mmol/mcr (0-12)

    TOXIC INDICATORS
    Glutamic acid lactam 15 mmol/mcr (20-115)
    Orotic acid 0,24 mmol/mcr (0-3,5)
    2-hydroxy-hippuric acid 1 mmol/mcr (0-20)

    OXALATE RELATED
    Glycerate 2,4 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    Hydroxy acetic acid 65 mmol/mcr (0-100)
    Oxalic acid 37 mmol/mcr (0-100)

    GLYCOLYSIS
    Lactic acid 9,2 mmol/mcr (0-100)
    Pyruvic acid 2,6 mmol/mcr (0-50)
    2-hydroxy butyric acid 0,74 mmol/mcr (0-2)

    KREBS CYCLE
    Succinic acid 4,3 mmol/mcr (0-20)
    Fumaric acid 0,19 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    Malic acid 0,17 mmol/mcr (0,20-1,8)
    2-oxo-glutaric acid 9,7 mmol/mcr (15-200)
    1-propene-1,2,3-tricarbon acid 6,8 mmol/mcr (0-25)
    Citric acid 77 mmol/mcr (180-560)

    NEUROTRANSMITTERS
    HVA dopamine 2,5 mmol/mcr (0-3,5)
    VMA norepi 1,7 mmol/mcr (0-3,5)
    5 HIAA serotonine 0,25 mmol/mcr (0-20)
    Quinoline acid 1,8 mmol/mcr (0,5-3)
    4-hydroxyquinaldine acid 1,4 mmol/mcr (0-2)

    PYRIMIDINES
    Uracil 1,9 mmol/mcr (0-22)
    Thymine 0,16 mmol/mcr (0-2)

    FATTY ACID METABOLITES
    3-hydroxy butyric acid 0,95 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    Acetyl acetic acid 1,8 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    4-hydroxy butyric acid 1,6 mmol/mcr (0-5)
    Ethyl malonic acid 0,79 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    Methyl succinic acid 1,10 mmol/mcr (0-5)
    Adipic acid 0,83 mmol/mcr (0-12)
    Suberic acid 0,22 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    Sebacic acid 0,06 mmol/mcr (0-2)

    SULPHUR METABOLITES (urine)
    Sulfite 3,1 mol/l (0,15-1,5)
    Thiocyanate 12,4 mol/l (20-85)
    Thiosulfate 89 mol/l (6,5-35,5)
    Total sulfate 4610 mol/l (2600 - 6000 mol/l)
    Free sulfate 2934 mol/l (1260 - 3000 mol/l)

    ORGANIC ACIDS Metabolites of yeasts/molds
    2-hydroxy-2-methyl butyric acid 1,3 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    5-hydroxymethyl-2-furoic 0,56 mmol/mcr (0-80)
    5-oxoglutaric acid 0,07 mmol/mcr (0-0,5)
    Furan-2,5-dicarbonacid 2 mmol/mcr (0-50)
    Furan carbonyl glycine 0,11 mmol/mcr (0-60)
    Tartaric acid 0,52 mmol/mcr (0-16)
    Arabinose 37 mmol/mcr (0-47)
    Carboxy citric acid 0 mmol/mcr (0-46)
    Propane-1,2,3-tricarbonacid 0,16 mmol/mcr (0-0,44)

    ORGANIC ACIDS Metabolites of bacteria
    2-hydroxyphenyl acetic acid 0,34 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    4-hydroxyphenyl acetic acid 10 mmol/mcr (0-50)
    Hippuric acid 202 mmol/mcr (10-400)
    3-indol acetic acid 0,65 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    HHPA clostridia 112 mmol/mcr (0-150)
    4-cresol 33 mmol/mcr (0-75)
  2. Marlène

    Marlène Senior Member

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    Some background information:
    I had weekly injections of hydroxyB12 for over a year. At first I tried cyanoB12 but I couldn't stand the pain and it paralized my limbs for about 24 hours.
    My diet is 90% glutenfree, no fruits and only cooked food for a few years. Since a year I tolerate some raw food again.

    In 2008-09 I was very ill, completely bedridden and unable to take care of myself. It all started in 2003 during my last pregnancy. My other treatments have been mainly low dose naltrexone, neural therapy and Q10. I'm housebound now and parttime bedridden.

    Other lab tests have revealed exhausted adrenals, hyperthyroid, low ATP conversion, lupus (since 25 y), malabsorption, ...
    I suffer daily headache and chronic migraine for 35 y now as well.

    Any input on the lab results above are welcome.
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    nanonug Senior Member

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    I am guessing that Rich is going to tell you that you have a methylation cycle block with glutathione depletion. And I will agree!

    You need to take something like this: Thorne Methyl-Guard Plus. But do not start with more than 1 capsule per day.

    Any particular reason for these dietary choices? Do you have gut issues? (other than maybe Celiac disease?)

    How hyper? Do you have numbers to share?

    Hmm, have you tried antihistamines?

    Have you ever been tested for MTHFR polymorphisms?
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    wow. Good tests! I so want some now, time to start working more. Lol.
    How i, a layman would interpret it, if the b12 gave you that result and your folic acid doesnt seem delicately low, maybe the b6 needs to be supported, migraines/headaches seem prominent with that, id also be curious whether you require b2.
    Zinc also may play a role. Have you tested for pyroluria or have contributing symptoms? There is a decent 'pyroluria quiz' if you google it.
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    Thyroid:

    TSH: ranging from 0,45 to 1,34
    Free T4: ranging from 0,89 to 1,02
    Free T3: 2,38
  6. Marlène

    Marlène Senior Member

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    I cut the gluten after I noticed it diminuished the pain substantially. When I was too sick to eat, the pain also slowly went down. As soon as I started to eat gluten, the pain came back. I tested negative for celiac disease but had a high level of exorphines in my urine. Apparently I don't break them down properly.

    My histaminelevel is 19,8 g/l (10-65) and I did try antihistamines against the horrible itch as if bugs are crawling under my skin but it doesn't help against the headache. The only medicine that works for now is Topamax, it's a lifesaver. I wonder how I survived these daily headaches for 33 years ...

    Other blood values:
    - very low copper and low transferrine levels
    - very elevated cholesterol since I'm a child
    - all nasty infections like chlamydia pneumonia, EBV, CMV, parvo, toxoplasmose, mycoplasma

    Never been tested for pyroluria or MTHFR.
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    It looks like we had a lot of the same things tested, with very similar results. My results are here and richvank's excellent interpretation is here.

    Not all of it would be applicable to you since you don't have amino acid results. And he can probably tell you what your methylation results mean. You could PM him to ask him to take a look at your results.
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    @ valentijn

    thanks for the input! Very much appreciated!

    I have some cortisol results as well:

    Morning: 11 nM
    Midday: 3 nM
    Afternoon: 3 nM
    Evening: 2 nM

    DHEA-S: 4 g/l

    Cortisol burden: 19

    Corresponds with stage 5 Adrenal Fatigue - non adapted profile
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    AMINO ACID METABOLITES
    2-hydroxy isovaleric acid 0 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    2-oxo isovaleric acid 0 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    3-methyl-2-oxo valeric acid 0,61 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    hydroxy iso hexanoic acid 0,06 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    2-oxo iso hexanoic acid 0,10 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    2-oxo-4-methyl butyric acid 0,03 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    mandelic acid 0,15 mmol/mcr (0-5)
    phenyl lactic acid 0,03 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    phenyl pyruvic acid 0,15 mmol/mcr (0-5)
    homogentisic acid 0,01 mmol/mcr (0-2)
    4-hydroxy phenyl lactic acid 0,17 mmol/mcr (0-50)
    n-acetyl aspartic acid 0,24 mmol/mcr (0-100)
    malonic acid 4,4 mmol/mcr (0-10)
    3-methyl glutaric acid 0,42 mmol/mcr (0-10)
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    Would you please provide units and reference ranges? Otherwise, I am not sure I know what I am looking at and I don't want to guess...
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    Ooops of course


    TSH: ranging from 0,45 to 1,34 mIU/l (ref 0,27 - 4,20)
    Free T4: ranging from 0,89 to 1,02 ng/dl (ref 0,93 - 1,70)
    Free T3: 2,38 pg/ml (ref 2 - 4,40)
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    This seems like increased intestinal permeability, aka, leaky gut syndrome.

    Are those plasma or whole blood levels?

    OK, there are clearly issues with histamine then. Have a look at Figure 1 on "Histamine and Histamine Intolerance" paper and see if that rings any bells...

    Hmm, interesting. No one knows for sure what the mode of action of topiramate is so I guess it is not very useful in pointing towards a cause.

    Are any of these still active?

    Pyroluria I wouldn't bother. But MTHFR is probably something you want to know. Even better, do the full 23andme thing.
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    nanonug Senior Member

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    Hmm, that's funny!

    Your TSH is fine. However, your free T4 is low/lowish and your free T3 is also lowish. Do you happen to know your T4 and reverse T3?
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    My histaminelevel is 19,8 g/l (10-65) whole blood level.

    The infections all became active in 2007 but seem "dormant" now apart from a mycoplasma and chlamydia pneumonia that pops up once a year when I have the mexican flu or pneumonia.
    The antibodies are very high but I guess that's normal.
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    No idea, the doctor asked for rT3 but the lab didn't do it.
    My son of 18 has Hashimoto. I tested negative for TPO.
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    nanonug Senior Member

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    Whole blood histamine is not too useful. Plasma histamine would be the useful one.
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    nanonug Senior Member

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    OK, here's my guess: your thyroid is producing plenty of T4. However, it is not getting converted into T3. Or, for some reason, most of your thyroid remains bound instead of free. To know for sure, you would have to run a full simultaneous thyroid panel, with TSH, T4, free T4, T3, free T3 and reverse T3.
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    Marlène Senior Member

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    Ok, I'm seeing my endocrinologist tomorrow. He never believed my theory of vit B12 but my latest results don't lie :) and the threads on this forum confirm my ideas (methylation block). I'll ask him to run a a full simultaneous thyroid panel.

    Let's presume I don't convert T4 into T3, is thyroid armour and/or iodide drops an option?
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    nanonug Senior Member

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    I have my doubts about iodide drops but a I am fairly certain that a pure T3 product would help.
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    Hi Marlene, sorry for being pretty ignorant but what tests are these and who does them? Is it the methylation panel or something similar?

    Many thanks

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