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Manganese (not magnesium) and pain?

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by NilaJones, Jan 22, 2015.

  1. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    Hi folks --

    I want to let you all know what happened to me when I tried manganese, in case it helps someone, and also to see if any of you have insights.

    I started with 12.5mg (1/4 of a solaray capsule). That day I had a massage, and I just could not get comfortable. Everything felt like too much pressure, or not the right angle. But that happens sometimes with massage. That night, I was up for several hours trying to get comfortable. Again, this happens to me pretty often. I have a lot of pain. OTOH, insomnia can present as 'too much pain -- can't get comfortable' for me, if I am not sleepy enough to sleep through the pain. Just in case, I took no mn for a few days, and I slept fine.

    I tried it again yesterday, this time with 6mg. Last night, again problems with pain. And in a weird way. Little oddities of position, or stretching my arm a bit too far, caused a surprising amount of burning pain, that took a long time to fade (like 30 minutes). But my usual background pain was not elevated. Other kinds of discomfort seemed to be affected too -- for example, when my nose was running and I sniffed to clear the passages, the relief was exaggerated.

    I know manganese can cause neurological problems, so I do not plan on taking any more!

    Have any of you had similar experiences with it, or do you have an idea what the mechanism for this increased sensitivity could be?
     
  2. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    A minor correction: Last night was the second night on 1/8 capsule. The first night I slept fine but had weirdly vivid dreams, like with resistant starch.
     
  3. justy

    justy Donate Advocate Demonstrate

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    Hi Nila - I believe manganese feeds Borrelia - do you have Lyme? Other than that its not ringing any bells.
     
  4. PeterPositive

    PeterPositive Senior Member

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    It's not clear... you mean you took 1/8 of a 12.5mg capsule, right?
    In any case 12.5mg sounds like an excessively high dose for a supplement.

    Maybe you are already taking enough manganese from the diet and the extra is bothering you. Do you have liver problems?

    http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/182.html

    cheers
     
  5. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    @NilaJones I took 1.5 mg of manganese on my multimineral for about 2 months and now I think my estrogen is too high (intense and long period). There is some useful info on it here: http://www.acu-cell.com/femn.html
     
  6. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    Thank you for the link, @Gondwanaland ! It has more info than I can absorb... but it does sound like I could need manganese. I have always had iron deficiency anemia. OTOH, I very much did not like the result of taking mn.

    @justy : I don't have Lyme AFAIK.
    @PeterPositive : I don't have liver problems. The original capsule was 50mg and I took fractions thereof. Yes, the initial dose was higher than it should have been.
     
  7. Gondwanaland

    Gondwanaland Senior Member

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    I know what you mean, I have been studying that site for almost a year.
    I just think that their recommendation for therapeutic supplementation is a little bit high, and if I ever take manganese again will be in the range of 500-800 MICROgrams.
     
  8. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    I have been up and down with manganese, since I sometimes run out and sometimes don't get the pills split. At one time I worked up to 8 mg twice a day, but this seemed to bother my liver. I was OK with 4 mg 4 times per day.
     
  9. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    Is it bad to take molybdenum without manganese? I am liking the effects of molybdenum.
     
  10. xks201

    xks201 Senior Member

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    Such small doses of manganese I highly doubt are the cause of those symptoms.
     
  11. kel88

    kel88 Senior Member

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    I take. 16mg a day and do great on it! They say thatmaganese also lowers ammonia from the body en brain! :)
     
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  12. NilaJones

    NilaJones Senior Member

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    It was a surprise to me, too. But the evidence is very strong. Two tests, with the same results. No other changes in diet, medications, or activity. I do also get a lot of manganese from my daily diet.
     
  13. xks201

    xks201 Senior Member

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    What tests ?
     

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