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Managing Potassium Deficiency - Share your experience

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by caledonia, Sep 29, 2013.

  1. vortex

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    6 x a day, how much per dose though?? I posted earlier in this thread that potassium from food doesn't seem to do anything for me but I take potassium gluconate 99mg and I feel drugged it is so powerful for me. Anyway, for traveling why don't you get potassium gluc capsules. Powder is a mess and tsa might just take it just because they don't know what it is.
  2. caledonia

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    @Leon Vitamin C is an antioxidant, so it might promote some detox. It also supports the adrenals. I suggest backing off on the dose until you can tolerate it. Try cutting it in half, and if that's not enough, cut it in half again and so on. After you're on it for awhile, you can try increasing again.

    I also take things in smaller doses, 3-4 times a day vs. one big dose. My naturopath had me doing this, because they said it helps things absorb better. I just sort of continued the habit.
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    Hi Sparrowhawk,

    Do you have symptoms of neuropathy in feet and/or legs and/or hands and/or arms, strange feelings of many sorts from spider webs to intense pain or numbness. " calf sensations threatening cramps" sounds very suspicious in that way.
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    Hi I'm experiencing the same. I thought I had all the symptoms of low potassium after starting methylation but now i think it's magnesium.
    Are you also supplementing on potassium ? or only magnesium?
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  5. howirecovered

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    I'm up to 5,400 mg potassium now. Cramping is greatly reduced but still have a little bit. I seem to sleep poorly on the days that I increase potassium.

    I also take 2 g of magnesium.

    Still struggling to keep urine pH from going too alkaline...
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    I've had muscle jerking off and on mostly in my feet. But can be all over my body. Seems to be worst right as I'm trying to go to sleep at night. It has decreased in the last month or so in frequency and intensity to the point where it's not keeping me from sleeping now. I've only occasionally had the "someone is sticking a needle in the bottom of my foot" sensation which is what I most associate with neuropathy.

    Thanks.
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    Hi Howirecovered,

    5400mg is a LOT of potassium. How much b1, b2, and b3 are you taking daily? Have you had your urine checked for excess excretion? That is where "excess" potassium ends up. So if it isn't being used in your body where is the need coming from.
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    B1: 480 mg benfotiamine
    B2: 100 mg
    B3: 500 mg inositol hexanicotinate

    I've had tight muscles and tendinitis/ repetitive strain injury for at least 13 years...

    Just got my genetic profile back from 123andme and someone was nice enough to walk me through it who pointed out my heterogenous ACE Del16 rs4343 is known to be related to potassium loss. It was also very impactful to hear how many genetic reasons I have for pursuing methylation support. I know I'm on the right track.

    I did have a urine challenge test for mercury and it showed extremely high potassium loss.

    Am all ears if you have any ideas on how to fix this! Thanks for reading:)
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    Hi Howirecovered,

    I would cut down to
    b1 - 40- 50mg daily
    b2 - 30-40mg daily,
    b3 - Niacin 100mg/day

    plus other b factors. Too much b1, b2 and b3 overdrive potassium loss and folate need for unknown reasons. When I cut them back my potassium need dropped over 50% and the folate minimum dropped 75%. Good luck.

    MeCbl, AdoCbl, l-methylfolate and LCF


    inositol is something else. I don't know what effect it has on the potassium/folate matter.
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  10. Violeta

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    Could it be possible that the potassium loss is from something causing diuresis? I've been looking at vasopressin (an antidiuretic hormone) deficiency and noticed that it can cause loss of potassium.
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    For the tendonitis you might want to try reishi.

    You can cover more than one base with reishi. Here's something healing1 said about mushrooms:

    Mushrooms are a critical detox of negative ions like Bromide and Fluoride, they are loaded with chitin, the Chinese have a big problem with Fluoride poisoning and are looking at penguins who eat artic krill that are loaded with fluoride and believe they detox it through the chitin shell in the shrimp, mushrooms have the same chitin and it is an "anion exchange resin" like a "cation exchange resin" for positive ions like metals, biotoxins, dioxins, etc, for example cholestyramine, EDTA, citrate and others to some extent.
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  12. howirecovered

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    thank you Fred, I will try that right away and let you know what happens!!
    -eric
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    A popular diuretic, Lasix (furosemide) is "not potassium sparing" as are a number of others. Some herbs are also diuretic to a greater or lesser extent and perhaps may affect potassium.
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    from a quick read on Wikipedia, I wouldn't be surprised because it sounds like you need a healthy hypothalamus and pituitary for proper functioning of vasopressin and both of those glands are targeted by mercury (which I've got).
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    Me, too, on the mercury.
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    The more I learn, the more committed I get to chelation...
  17. Freddd

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    Hi Howirecovered,

    I would advise caution. People have done some really bad things to themselves out of fear of mercury, delayed healing for years or decades chasing scare stories. As far as "payoffs", chasing specifically after mercury that might be there seems more likely to cause damage than actually helping, and does perform a walletectomy.. On very rare occasions sometimes a person is benefited. Selenium neutralizes it and locks it up in place for life and is no hazard. If MeCbl has any effect at all IN VIVO on mercury, it is that 1mg of mercury can destroy all the active b12 in the body and all the active b12 likely to be in your body for the next decade unless taking sufficient MeCbl that makes that impossible. There needs to be about 30mg of monomethylmercury in the body to cause toxic symptoms. If a person is thinking that MeCbl can convert 30mg of mercury to 30mg of monomethylmercury think again. It would take 210mg of MeCbl being 100% stripped by mercury in the minutes to hours it remains in the body. Research shows that 99% of MeCbl is excreted unchanged in 24-48 hours. In order to stop MeCbl , from helping flush mercury from the body, to the extent they actually interact which is not actually known, they starve themselves of MeCbl and l-methylfolate. I was exposed to considerable mercury during my youth. Mercury was one of the avenues I explored during my decades of looking for answers. I found many conflicting ideas and treatments and no answers but lots of mythology. I also saw far fewer than chance improvements. I won't say recoveries because I have never actually seen or heard of such except in certain industrial accidents and poisoning cases where the people involved received heavy doses. I also saw dentists kicked off panels for exploitive and dangerous practices in mercury removal.
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    I've given your protocol priority, taking nine weeks off chelation to ramp up methylation. Currently taking all the supplements you've mentioned which now includes these core supplements:

    LCF - 2g
    mb12 - 5mg
    adb12 - 4mg
    metafolin - 2.4 mg
    TMG - 1g
    SAMe - 400 mg

    I intend to chelate one week per month and will continue taking all of my methylation supplements during those weeks. For chelation, I take DMSA (as I have lead also) and ALA. My understanding is that ALA is also a methylation support. In fact, I experience roughly the same side effects from chelation that I experience when increasing methylation...

    So what do you think? Will I be delaying my recovery in your opinion?
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    Hi Howirecovered,

    No I don't be delaying anything. That's good.. And ALA is said to increase LCF efficiency by about 50%, so only indirectly methylation support. It is more ATP or deadlock quartet support but ALA doesn't deadlock that I am aware of. I have never traced it down to an original source but is often stated. Good health to you.
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    thanks Fred, interesting that you think ALA might be ATP support because when I take it around the clock I get more and more wired as the days go by...

    Your comments give me hope for my wife's situation where I think chelation is too complex / difficult for her so I hope to accomplish the same thing with methylation.

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