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MAF 878 Available - Anyone already using it?

Discussion in 'GcMAF' started by shannah, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. maryb

    maryb iherb code TAK122

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    Being a bit paranoid in the kitchen anyway about hygiene just thought I'd post a little bossy.
    Please make sure everything you use is scrupulously clean when preparing this product, all equipment sould be sterilised, teatowels having been boiled/hottest wash, and hands, wash wash wash. Better to be safe and just keep the good bacteria going, not introducing any bad.
     
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    madietodd Senior Member

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    Sushi, gallon jars of pickles are widely available in US supermarkets, and pickles are cheap enough to throw away if you don't eat them.
     
  3. anniekim

    anniekim Senior Member

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    Thanks Camas for sharing this. Regarding the instructions saying it only needs to be kept at room temperature, as i've seen elsewhere it should be kept at 80F, the room temperature instruction seems to have changed. I googled what classes as room temperature and it says it's approx between 20c and 23.5c/73F with 21c/70F being classed as average. Being in the UK, my room can definitely get cooler than that even now in the summer (ah bloomin British weather), but if it is true that the temp now only has to be between 20-23.5 c that is certainly easier than the 80F originally given.

    Sushi, when I corresponded with Dr Enlander's office last week, I asked if I could use only half of the starter keeping the other half to make up the following month, as i want to start slow, they replied yes but didn't give me instructions on how to store the unused half. I don't know whether this info helps you.

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    Just checked the ebay site and that still gives instructions for keeping it at 80F. Would be good to get confirmation of what is the correct instructions now. THink I'll e mail Dr Enlander's office
     
  4. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    LMAOOOO
     
  5. xrunner

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    If it's of any help, in my experience with the other yogurt the conversion to Maf occurs at room temperature, whatever that is and which varies across countries/latitudes...
     
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  6. anniekim

    anniekim Senior Member

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    Thanks xrunner. I suppose as i know the UK is cooler than other areas whether the room temperature would be slightly too cool at present with our summer weather, especially as the original instructions said keep it around 80F. I'm probably over worrying....
     
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    madietodd Senior Member

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    I asked about this on the FB page, and Dr. Enlander said keep the extra starter in the fridge, for a maximum of 2 months.
     
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  8. jace

    jace Off the fence

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    Any reason why one can't freeze the starter? Work with smaller quantities, maybe divide the starter into four, use one freeze three? I know you can freeze fresh yeast as well as yoghurt...

    My kitchen is likely around 60F right now, I don't think I've wasted my money on the dimmer. The yeast/bacteria/whatever will work more slowly at a lower temperature.
     
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  9. anniekim

    anniekim Senior Member

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    Thanks Madietodd for sharing that.

    Jace, do you plan to use your dimmer with a yoghurt maker? Many thanks
     
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    Once I froze my kefir grains and they weren't the same afterwards. The kefir became too runny and not producing kefiran any longer. I think freezing caused damage.
     
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    madietodd Senior Member

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    Dr. Enlander just replied to somebody else that freezing might inactivate the probiotics.
     
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    Just wanted to give a quick update. I stirred the MAF mixture this morning and hadn't given it much thought until I was cleaning the kitchen tonight and saw that it had risen a good inch or two. I assume this means all is working well at room temperature (around 70 degrees).
     
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  13. Daffodil

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    i called Dr. Enlander's office and they said there are some patients taking both injections and yogurt. one staff member implied that those with digestive and cognitive issues might benefit from the yogurt...so i am thinking of trying it with the injections....Dr. Enlander suggested an aquarium heater to keep the 80 degree temp
     
  14. shannah

    shannah Senior Member

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    Oh no, are we back to temperature control again? This is very confusing.

    The actual instructions that come with the MAF specify nothing at all about temperature.
     
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  15. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    - lower temp will mean it will take longer to cultivate..so at 70 degrees will take 6 - 7 days instead of 5
    - not sure how many ng of gcmaf is in the mixture....could vary depending on how it is cultivated
    - starter will keep for 2 months in fridge
    - stir once or twice a day during cultivation
    - at 80 degrees for 5 days, put in fridge
    - be careful - too high a temp can fry the bacteria
    - if IRIS becomes a problem, can try lowering dose to 2 oz.
    - dont treat it like a complicated science experiment..relax.

    i asked Dr. Enlander if he is noticing cognitive issues improving quicker with the yogurt..he says it varies.
     
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  16. shannah

    shannah Senior Member

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    Thanks for posting this Daff. Did you get this info from Dr. E.?
     
  17. Daffodil

    Daffodil Senior Member

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    yes shannah... i paraphrased
     
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  18. shannah

    shannah Senior Member

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    Comical - if we had clear, concise, complete instructions, we could.
     
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    No. Actually. It is not dry. I just received a shipment. Sent overnight. No ice. The lid was not screwed on so it came in a big mess.
     
  20. shannah

    shannah Senior Member

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    I was very surprised that it was not dry as well. I'm sure that I read somewhere the MAF 314 is dry so assumed this would be too. Mine was very messy when it arrived as well. Don't understand why it couldn't be sent dry. What if it had been held up at customs for those who live outside the US. How long it could last then I wonder!
     

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