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MAF 314

Discussion in 'GcMAF' started by firefly, Nov 22, 2011.

  1. madietodd

    madietodd Senior Member

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    Dr. Enlander said he has a lab on Long Island working on a (the?) formula for maf 314, and he'll say more once they've figured out how to culture it. That's all he would say, except that he snorted derisively when he referred to people having to pay $5,000 for it. One can hope that he plans to market it less expensively.
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  2. Sushi

    Sushi Moderator and Senior Member Albuquerque

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    We hopes! Seems like the reseacher network might have a lot more info about how to make this than we do.

    Sushi
  3. Rita

    Rita Senior Member

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    Perhaps Dr.Enlander wants to make it industrially, but the life of the product of Ruggiero is only one week.
    Dont know if Ruggiero wants also to produce it industrially, but for sure that needs a lots of licences,and many time to contact with a labs, companys, proofs,and also patents.All this takes a lot of time, almost years, and the way to make courses is more quick for patients can access to it.
    Dr.Cheney has been always a very expensive doctor,he charges a lot for his visits, also for the courses to make MAF 314.But the price in Europe is 1000 euros for six months starter plus 300 euros for the course.2000 euros for one year starters.
    This makes 55 euros /day only for the starters for the daily yogurt.167 euros month.Some expensive.
  4. xrunner

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    Hi pieddours,

    many thanks for your reply.
    So you just take milk, then add colostrum and then the probiotic cultures. You just leave it for 48 hours to grow and then it's ready.

    Sorry a few more questions, please bear with me...
    How much milk and colostrum do you need for one batch?
    How much left over approx. do you need to feed the next batch?
    How long does a batch last / how frequently do you have to make one? weekly?
    Do you culture at a certain temperature range, or just room temperature?
    Can you use goat's milk and colostrum or does it need to be cow's?
    As for the colostrum, does it matter if it has other ingredients or fillers in it?


    I'd like to try something at home. I've only tried making kefir before but that was fairly straightforward.

    According to Yamamoto
    "In humans, deglycosylation of Gc-globulin, involving stepwise removal of -galactose and sialic acid from the trisaccharide, leaving N-acetyl-galactosamine (GalNAc), produces a potent macrophage-activating factor (Gc-MAF) (3)."

    My idea is to use raw milk and I'm also trying to find raw/live colostrum wich have enzymes and are rich in immunoglobulins hoping to get some low level conversion of Gc globulins. It's pure speculation, I'm not a chemist, understand very little of it all, nothing actually, but I like to experiment.
  5. anne_likes_red

    anne_likes_red Senior Member

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    xrunner,
    Just a suggestion; you could try your local Weston Price chapter for a supplier of fresh colostrum. I know there's a good Weston Price following in the UK. And you have lotsa lovely grass fed cows :)
    HTH
    Anne.
  6. xrunner

    xrunner Senior Member

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    Anne,
    thanks for the info, I'll take a look.
  7. caremom

    caremom

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    Does anyone know if there is a milk alternative for those of us who are lactose-intolerant? Thanks.
  8. pieddours

    pieddours

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    As far as I know, you must make MAF with milk, although you can use goat milk.
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    ukxmrv Senior Member

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  10. xrunner

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    That's very helpful ukxmrv, many thanks. Based on what Dr Ruggiero says, I think we just need to work out which strains of bacteria can most effectively help the protein conversion to make a decent substitute.
  11. Rita

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    Now we need to know what bacteria produce the very same enzymes ( betagalactosidase and sialidase ) used to make chemical Gc MAF.Perhaps the probiotics makers are able to tell us.
    Its good to know that one daily dose of MAF 314 is equivalent to 200 weekly doses of chemical Gc MAF.
  12. Lou

    Lou Senior Member

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    My post here, not a good idea.
  13. lobba123

    lobba123 Senior Member

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    do you think a non-cfs patient with no problems with attention and no brain fog ever. can have any problems to understand how to make maf314 and to explain this to other members of the family?or do you think two persons is better to see how to make it?

    i'd like to go alone to save on travel costs.i am also quite familiar to making yogurt from starters, i remake bifidus yogurt every week

    thanks


  14. pieddours

    pieddours

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    I don't think it is that hard to make. It really is just making yoghurt with the supplied starters.

    Ensuring all your equipment is clean and (relatively) sterile is probably the most work.

    I went alone to the course and found I was quite bored since it took place over 3 days. I think I probably could have learned everything needed in a couple of hours.
  15. lobba123

    lobba123 Senior Member

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    thank you i ll definitely go alone


  16. Rita

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    I think that all can be learned to do with a book, a manual, a video,so I dont undersand the must of travel.The starters also can be mailed. Travels, hotels are very expensive.People with ME/CFS dont have energy and/or money to travel.They must be more considerate with us.If the starters remains secret, there is not problem, it cant be copied.The procedure cant continue to be secret for ever.Or the pupil must sign a clause of confidentiality?
  17. lobba123

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    no it is not that easy, professor ruggiero team travels also to show to doctors because by video and manuals he said that all doctors made mistkes and the product was not maf314 in the end

  18. Rita

    Rita Senior Member

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    That means that are videos to show how to make MAF 314?
  19. pilgrim

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    I have just gone through a couple of presentations of Dr Ruggiero. I'm confused...He says that a specially enriched milk with Gc protein is needed to make this yoghurt. I'm assuming this milk does not come with the supplies which, from previous posts, I understand only affect the conversion to maf.
    Can anyone familiar with maf314 please clarify what milk is that, who sells it and how much it costs?
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    I'm also interested in how much of it you have to eat a day.

    If it is stronger than the chemical maf why aren't there more side effects?

    Are any of the people doing the yoghurt in touch with others from their class, or other Cheney patients? Are some people having the long term set backs of the injections? Do some switch from injections to yoghurt and do better?

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