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MAF 314, looking for someone to share

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Linder220, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. Linder220

    Linder220

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    Just learned there may be a particular gut bacteria that makes a person a non-responder to MAF 314. Study has just begun on this.
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    Graeme almost there...

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    Apparently this is a quote from Dr Ruggiero:

    I'm surprised more folks aren't talking about trying to make this themselves. Ruggiero and his co-authors claim they got the idea to use this fermentation process from the response HIV patients had to probiotic yogurt, a response that couldn't be replicated by supplementing the same probiotics. There's no mention of this yogurt being a laboratory product. So assuming they're correct, that this process produces GcMAF, they've come up with an incredible find. If it were mine I'd probably try to capitalize on it. And if it's as simple as it sounds in the above quote then I'd be inclined to convince people they couldn't do this on their own -314 tries in a laboratory, by highly trained scientists. Maybe I missed something and I'm out of line, but how much does it cost to obtain colostrum and kefir grains? Answer: about $20 for the colostrum (iherb) and $5 for the kefir grains (local hippie). It's worth a try.

    Also, I figure we can use goat's colostrum or even sheep's if we're sensitive to dairy.
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    anne_likes_red Senior Member

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    Linder, I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to ask if you could try a sample of the finished product to check for tolerance before you decide whether to proceed.
    A full day plus of incubation sounds good to me with regards to casein. But, in my experience (which is limited, and non scientific!) the incubation needs to be 100 - 110 degrees F, and I think this is warmer than required for regular kefir?
    :) Anne.





  4. Linder220

    Linder220

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    Papillon, Someone who took the class described it today as not difficult, but extremely exacting. If you do try to make it yourself, I hope you succeed. I think they are measuring success by nagalase levels, so it wouldn't be hard to find out if you've hit the right process. Best of luck. Linder220
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    just make sure to use fresh colostrum otherwise all activity and gcmaf get lost, same thing about kefir

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    where can u get fresh colostrum
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    Tristen Senior Member

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    Gordon Medical Associates?
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    anne_likes_red Senior Member

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    http://www.organicpastures.com/products_colostrum.html

    Think they only ship to California, but there must be other producers.
    A local (to you) Weston Price Chapter might have a list of raw organic dairy producers in your area?
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    Im trying to do a "similar" of MAF 314, with kefir grains , fresh milk and colostrum power.24 hours incubation. But I know there is some information I miss, perhaps temperature.. I dont know if heat is good for the kefir grains or it kills them.
    Im making it for a month and a half and I see is good for my gut.Not for my fatigue or pain ,by the moment.
    The kefir grains are growing,dont know if more quantity of grains is best for the result.
    Ruggiero said that kefir (plain kefir as usual) is good for the immune sistem,too.
    Dr Ruggiero now is silent, dont answer questions about MAF 314, I think he is planning to do some trials with HIV patients in Italy.
    One day this information to make MAF 314 will be known for everybody, it cant be patented or forbiden to do at home.
    Can be patented only for to make it industrially, I think.
    For now is secret the starter ( if its not kefir grains), and the exact procedure.

    But the more importat is to know if this works for us, CFS/ME patients, for all o for a big part of us.
    I must said that I have problems with milk , redness in my face, but not with this kefir.
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    Yes, Gordon Medical in Santa Rosa.
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    To everyone who wrote saying they would like to team up with a Cheney MAF 314 patient in their area: I did put your general locations out to the group. The moderator added a pretty long message of her own to my message, saying that at this time the Clinic isn't approving sharing because of the monitoring that needs to be done and some other considerations. So, no one responded to my message. I don't know if that's because of the Clinic's statement or perhaps just not that many have taken the class yet and are available to share. If anyone does respond, I'll let you know. Linder220
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    Is this certain? I don't know much about this stuff, but wouldn't GC protein still be present in powdered form? Or is it somehow spoiled?
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    Dr. Enlander just posted on his FB page.

    "We are researching a new version of the non prescription probiotic MAF akin to the Ruggerio version at a lower price."
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    This is a website where Dr. Marco Ruggiero has written answers to peoples questions about Maf 314 and talks a very easy to read way.

    Also states the AMAZING claim that Maf 314 can raise CD-4 cells by several hundred in a few weeks. Anti-viral AIDS meds can only raise it by about 90 cells in a year.

    http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/a-cure-for-aids/
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    Wish someone would just start selling it so I can gobble ;) I mean the safety profile for MAF 314 seems excellent..
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    Message from Dr Ruggiero in a HIV forum

    Marco Ruggiero said
    2011/11/05 at 10:27 am

    Another reason is that I intended to present the results of the ongoing trials at RA2011. In addition, if generally available means for people in the entire world, then there is to wait for a few more weeks or months. If it means, however, for people in Europe, then it is already available.
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    Hi Rita,

    Is MAF 314 available in Europe?? Or is this a translation thing?

    Thanks
  18. Rita

    Rita Senior Member

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    Thank you Rita,

    Wow this could be good.
  20. klimt

    klimt

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    Hi,

    Does anybody have a link to Dr. Cheneys MAF 314 trial results actually? How did M.E. patients respond to it compared to GcMaf??

    Thanks

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