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Lyme Disease and Autoimmune Connection?

Lotus97

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I've heard Lyme and autoimmune mentioned together sometimes. What does this mean? Some people say that Lyme disease might either be an autoimmune disease or that it might cause autoimmune diseases or mimic autoimmune diseases or that they are two separate things. There doesn't seem to be any consensus. On another site there was a debate about this
http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/ly...t/188717-lyme-is-a-autoimmune-disease-correct
 
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I was just talking about this with a client today who is an MD. She's had acute Lyme dz twice, so has had some incentive to stay current on chatter in the community. I made a comment about my experience with ID specialists who don't seem to believe in it much when it comes to long-term disease. (I had acute Lyme, was treated, my titers dropped, I was declared cured, but within weeks my downward spiral into CFS began.) She voiced what I've been reading, which is that many researchers agree (for now) that even if the Borrelia have been eradicated, some people do develop immune dysfunction with far-reaching effects. As with CFS, the specifics of the immune dysfunction haven't been well classified. I can't help but think chronic Lyme is one of many major pathways into this multimodal haywire process that is CFS.

That said, I think a consensus is still a long way away. There's so much we don't understand about Lyme..so much to learn. LLMD's and ID's are on different planets when it comes to theories and treatments. I think they're both right about some things. It does seem the LLMD's are having more success with treatment of patients like us, though.
 

JT1024

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It seems that once some people are hit with certain circumstance (flu, physical trauma,ME/CFS, FM, Lyme, RA, Lupus, GWI, etc) their immune systems never regain the proper balance. I was recently reading if you see one auto-immune condition in a patient - others will most likely follow suit.

I now know how messed up my own immune system is. To this day, the complexities of the immune system are still being discovered.

It sure would be nice to be able to have diagnostic test(s) for:

1) the current status your immune system (eg. Th1, Th2 - current state and over the last month, - (similar to a glucose level and and glycohemoglobin A1c; )
2) have treatments that could shift/ balance the immune system (immunemodulators) and
3) biomarkers to measure the effectiveness of the treatments in 2) above.
4) correlation between biomarkers in 3) and patient reported outcomes
 

Lotus97

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21281805
CD14 signaling reciprocally controls collagen deposition and turnover to regulate the development of lyme arthritis.
CD14 is a glycosylphosphatidylinositol-anchored protein expressed primarily on myeloid cells (eg, neutrophils, macrophages, and dendritic cells). CD14(-/-) mice infected with Borrelia burgdorferi, the causative agent of Lyme disease, produce more proinflammatory cytokines and present with greater disease and bacterial burden in infected tissues. Recently, we uncovered a novel mechanism whereby CD14(-/-) macrophages mount a hyperinflammatory response, resulting from their inability to be tolerized by B. burgdorferi. Paradoxically, CD14 deficiency is associated with greater bacterial burden despite the presence of highly activated neutrophils and macrophages and elevated levels of cytokines with potent antimicrobial activities. Killing and clearance of Borrelia, especially in the joints, depend on the recruitment of neutrophils. Neutrophils can migrate in response to chemotactic gradients established through the action of gelatinases (eg, matrix metalloproteinase 9), which degrade collagen components of the extracellular matrix to generate tripeptide fragments of proline-glycine-proline. Using a mouse model of Lyme arthritis, we demonstrate that CD14 deficiency leads to decreased activation of matrix metalloproteinase 9, reduced degradation of collagen, and diminished recruitment of neutrophils. This reduction in neutrophil numbers is associated with greater numbers of Borrelia in infected tissues. Variation in the efficiency of neutrophil-mediated clearance of B. burgdorferi may underlie differences in the severity of Lyme arthritis observed in the patient population and suggests avenues for development of adjunctive therapy designed to augment host immunity.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-0691.2004.00895.x/pdf
Lyme borreliosis: from infection to autoimmunity
Lyme borreliosis in humans is an inflammatory disease affecting multiple organ systems, including the nervous system, cardiovascular system, joints and muscles. The causative agent, the spirochaete Borrelia burgdorferi, is transmitted to the host by a tick bite. The pathogenesis of the disease in its early stages is associated largely with the presence of viable bacteria at the site of inflammation, whereas in the later stages of disease, autoimmune features seem to contribute significantly. In addition, it has been suggested that chronic persistence of B. burgdorferi in affected tissues is of pathogenic relevance. Longterm exposure of the host immune system to spirochaetes and⁄or borrelial compounds may induce chronic autoimmune disease. The study of bacterium–host interactions has revealed a variety of proinflammatory and also immunomodulatory–immunosuppressive features caused by the pathogen. Therapeutic strategies using antibiotics are generally successful, but chronic disease may require immunosuppressive treatment. Effective and safe vaccines using recombinant outer surface protein A have been developed, but have not been propagated because of fears that autoimmunity might be induced. Nevertheless, new insights into the modes of transmission of B. burgdorferi to the warmblooded host have been generated by studying the action of these vaccines.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/Rheumatology/Arthritis/36694
Refractory Lyme Arthritis May Be Autoimmune
The majority of patients with Lyme disease, even those with the late development of arthritis, recover with appropriate antibiotic treatment to eliminate the causative spirochete Borrelia burgdorferi.

But a subset of patients continues to have symptoms of arthritis long after treatment, and the management of these patients has remained controversial, with many patient groups demanding long-term antibiotics.

Steere and colleagues have previously suggested that this persistence reflects infection-induced autoimmunity rather than ongoing infection.

The concept that autoimmunity is involved is supported by the observation that certain genetic HLA-DR alleles are common in patients with resistant Lyme disease.

These HLA molecules are capable of presenting autoantigens to T cells, which is thought to be an important event in autoimmunity.

To explore this autoimmune hypothesis, Steere and colleagues first performed a proteomic exploration to identify possible antigens.


http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Lyme-Prevention-Borreliosis-Coinfections/dp/0970869630
Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections
By Stephen Harrod Buhner
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