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Lyme Disease and Autoimmune Connection?

Discussion in 'Lyme Disease and Co-Infections' started by Lotus97, May 2, 2013.

  1. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    I've heard Lyme and autoimmune mentioned together sometimes. What does this mean? Some people say that Lyme disease might either be an autoimmune disease or that it might cause autoimmune diseases or mimic autoimmune diseases or that they are two separate things. There doesn't seem to be any consensus. On another site there was a debate about this
    http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/ly...t/188717-lyme-is-a-autoimmune-disease-correct
     
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  2. Moxie

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    I was just talking about this with a client today who is an MD. She's had acute Lyme dz twice, so has had some incentive to stay current on chatter in the community. I made a comment about my experience with ID specialists who don't seem to believe in it much when it comes to long-term disease. (I had acute Lyme, was treated, my titers dropped, I was declared cured, but within weeks my downward spiral into CFS began.) She voiced what I've been reading, which is that many researchers agree (for now) that even if the Borrelia have been eradicated, some people do develop immune dysfunction with far-reaching effects. As with CFS, the specifics of the immune dysfunction haven't been well classified. I can't help but think chronic Lyme is one of many major pathways into this multimodal haywire process that is CFS.

    That said, I think a consensus is still a long way away. There's so much we don't understand about Lyme..so much to learn. LLMD's and ID's are on different planets when it comes to theories and treatments. I think they're both right about some things. It does seem the LLMD's are having more success with treatment of patients like us, though.
     
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  3. JT1024

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    It seems that once some people are hit with certain circumstance (flu, physical trauma,ME/CFS, FM, Lyme, RA, Lupus, GWI, etc) their immune systems never regain the proper balance. I was recently reading if you see one auto-immune condition in a patient - others will most likely follow suit.

    I now know how messed up my own immune system is. To this day, the complexities of the immune system are still being discovered.

    It sure would be nice to be able to have diagnostic test(s) for:

    1) the current status your immune system (eg. Th1, Th2 - current state and over the last month, - (similar to a glucose level and and glycohemoglobin A1c; )
    2) have treatments that could shift/ balance the immune system (immunemodulators) and
    3) biomarkers to measure the effectiveness of the treatments in 2) above.
    4) correlation between biomarkers in 3) and patient reported outcomes
     
  4. Lotus97

    Lotus97 Senior Member

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    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21281805
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-0691.2004.00895.x/pdf
    http://www.medpagetoday.com/Rheumatology/Arthritis/36694

    http://www.amazon.com/Healing-Lyme-Prevention-Borreliosis-Coinfections/dp/0970869630
    Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme Borreliosis And Its Coinfections
    By Stephen Harrod Buhner
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