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Lipkin bad news folks

Discussion in 'XMRV Research and Replication Studies' started by pollycbr125, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. ixchelkali

    ixchelkali Senior Member

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    From the EurekAlert story:"Medical treatment for CFS/ME costs as much as $7 billion every year in the U.S. alone."

    Where the heck did they get that figure? Fifteen or twenty years ago the number was $9 billion; the most recent figure was $34 billion. What do they do, make this stuff up?

    Hmm, I seem to be ranting. Probably time to go to bed.
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  2. pollycbr125

    pollycbr125 Senior Member

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    ive tweeted them and said nobody can find actual paper on the mBio site . if you click link on my previous post you cannot even read the photo of the page they have posted
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    Hi ixchelkali, I am not sure of the $7 billion figure, but its referring to medical costs - not all costs combined. A $30+ billion figure would be all costs. Bye, Alex
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  5. ixchelkali

    ixchelkali Senior Member

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    pollycbr125 Senior Member

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  8. urbantravels

    urbantravels disjecta membra

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    I don't think it's bad news. I think it's OLD news ... and I was just hoping to hear something, anything, that was new.

    I do wonder now what the "diehards" will do since Dr. Mikovits seems to be fully on board with the show of unity among the researchers.
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  10. biophile

    biophile Places I'd rather be.

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    I can understand how newspapers have inaccurately dumbed down the title to "virus(es)", but that is the worst headline yet and gives the false impression that all viruses have been ruled out for ME/CFS once and for all. It should be saying two retroviruses are not to blame. It does elaborate later in the article but the first sentence is just as bad: "The debilitating condition ME is not caused by viruses, according to a study which claims to dismiss this theory ‘once and for all’." I am willing to accept the results of the paper when it is available, but now I suspect spin doctoring is involved.

    I agree that the negative results are not bad news. If the pending pathogen study comes up negative too, I expect the same above headline to be pushed out more feverishly and laced with smug commentary from certain biopsychosocialists. AFAIK, said pathogen study will not take into account the "abnormal immune response to ordinary infection" hypothesis.
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    Firestormm Senior Member

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    Most thorough article I have seen thus far.

    There was some 'speculation' that this study would not I believe use the Canadian Consensus criteria.

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    pollycbr125 Senior Member

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    are all positive prostate cancer studies now going to be retracted ? if not why not ?
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  13. ixchelkali

    ixchelkali Senior Member

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    Oh, for pity's sake! Gag me.
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    Anyone have a virtual gag I can send to ixchelkali, she thinks she needs one but me I think that its the silly reporters who need gagging. :zippit: Although to be fair, if its editors who are making the changes to give them more punch, then its really the editors who need gagging.
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    I accept the Lipkin results.

    If Drs Mikovits and Ruscetti who originally made the connection were involved the negative result must be accepted.

    Shame, MLVs would have changed our status completely - our disease would have had to be investigated and accorded importance. Other viruses, especially common ones, like EBV and HHV will not help us much or protect us from the psychiatrists. They know how to theorise their way round those viruses. I wonder what will happen to the blood ban on us? It will stay, no doubt.

    I agree the headline, "Viruses not to blame for CFS/ME " is spin, this study says nothing about other viral involvement.
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    I have been saying that we have to pay attention to the results of this study, even if we don't like them. Its about as good a study as we are going to see.
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    I'm one of the "die hards". Will listen to the press conference. Read the full paper. Ask what questions I think need asking. Then make my mind up.

    Something that jumps to my mind at the first read is that they still have not searched for general retroviral activity.

    That may be for the future. However for completeness I think that it should have been done at the same time as this paper.

    That may have added the something new or something important that i had been hoping for.
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    I no longer stress about the choice of headlines. Granted I don't suppose everyone will read beyond that and will conclude 'any' viruses and not these specific ones. However, the rest of the 'article' isn't as bad as it could be for the Daily Wail I didn't think though it took a while to get to the point and name the specific viruses in question. Still...

    Can't argue with that and it's 'nice' to see the WPI being mentioned up front as it were - usually they don't and I think they should share the 'limelight' [culpability] more so than they have done previously - be interested to hear from their 'spokesperson' on this final curtain development.
    Might have helped Wail readers if they explained what these viruses were thought to be and the possible danger they posed - but the Wail journalists are rather dense at the best of times I have found.

    And I could most definitely have done without reading that final paragraph. They do seem to have concluded that a virus is not involved - though one wonders where they think 'weakness in the immune system' might possibly stem from?

    What a bunch of turnips :eek:
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    alex3619 Senior Member

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    The existence of reverse transcriptase in ME is an old finding indeed ukxmrv. Its something that has never been explained or disproved.
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  20. currer

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    Can anyone find the full paper yet?

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