I think we have no choice but to accept the Lipkin study. I always wanted this subject properly investigated, but to continue on with this would require a conspiracy theory of such vast proportions - I just cannot contemplate it. You have to remember that Dr Mikovits initially found XMRV/MLVs quite readily in her samples. We are reasoning in such a way that we are pursuing ever tinier amounts of positives in blood to maintain a faith in this hypothesis. Because of the importance of the implications of finding XMRV it was necessary to continue to look - and to pursue this - but atm I cannot take this idea further. A couple of things trouble me. There was no discussion of the fact that XMRV is a genuinely new lab-created recombinant which has been transmitting itself within laboratories. There was no admission that this happens inadvertently and will occur again. If MRVs are to be used as gene vectors we still need to ensure there are no MRVs of any kind in the population prior to their release. That 6% positive in controls by serology cannot simply be dismissed. I would like to see a proper study of Dr Snyderman's blood results. Just ignoring his improvement is unacceptable. I think we should know why he has improved. I suppose there could still be an association of MRVs of some kind with disease - O'Keefe has found some evidence of this in prostate cancer. The good thing is - an idea once thought - cannot be un-thunk! So once an idea is out it cannot be put back into the bottle. This is good or bad depending on your perspective.