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Lessons from schizophrenia

Discussion in 'Other Health News and Research' started by hinterland, Aug 29, 2017.

  1. hinterland

    hinterland

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    The Concept of Schizophrenia Is Coming to an End – Here's Why

    I'm not saying the BPS crowd are holding a significant part of the puzzle for ME/CFS. But it's interesting to note that they have their oar in many other waters too, some of which seem unexpected at first glance. But, nowhere else does it -- the BPS ideology and 'behavioural activation' -- have such downside potential to do harm than in ME/CFS, in my opinion - something that proponents fail to acknowledge and are in denial about.

    I'm not sure if this will turn out to be the case for ME/CFS or not, for a major subgroup. If it did, then I think that would help legitimise the condition, and make it possible to explain in a few sentences. I don't agree that finding a final common pathway would make investigating different causes academic, though the powers that be controlling health budgets might favour that argument.

    Yes... sounds about right, I think we can all relate to that one!
     
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    There is also a third important causal factor involved with developing schizophrenia, and that is infectious etiologies:

    One study found the risk of developing schizophrenia was increased by 4.8 times in people who suffered a central nervous system viral infection in childhood.

    In this particular study, coxsackievirus B5 infection of the CNS was a prominent in schizophrenia patients. Now we know that coxsackievirus B can form chronic persistence intracellular infections of the brain and other tissues. So there is clearly a need to perform brain autopsies on schizophrenia patients, to see if a persistent coxsackievirus B brain infection might be present.

    And one study found risk of developing schizophrenia was increased by 7 times for adults whose mothers suffered an influenzavirus infection in the first trimester of pregnancy.
     
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    i trully belive that many cases if not most of people with mental disorder, are caused by infections..otherwise,everyone will get better with meds,if the serotonin brain chemistry imbalance bullshit will be true..
     
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    I've watched this debate recur over decades, without much benefit to patients, who are still being treated for symptomatic relief. I'm suspecting the problem is not any single infectious agent, because I can point to infections that are uncommon now, but were once major factors in psychiatric populations, like syphilis. Some patients with untreated disease met all the clinical requirements for schizophrenia, except that doctors knew they had syphilis. There were cases in which curing the infectious disease reversed the psychiatric problem.

    (This still happens in cases where some doctor recognizes that the patient has acute toxoplasmosis. More commonly this does not happen. There is a correlation between antibodies associated with such infections and this diagnosis. Nobody seems to know what to do with chronic toxoplasmosis without clear clinical signs.)

    I've also watched research on etiology, especially genetics. There was a discovery of a gene thought to be the cause of schizophrenia and labeled DISC1 (for "disrupted in schizophrenia".) Every patient with that genetic anomaly in one family developed a major mental illness, and none of those without had disabling mental problems. Sounds pretty clear, right?

    The problem was that some people with the genetic problem were not schizophrenic. Psychiatric diagnoses ranged across the spectrum: schizophrenia, schizo-affective disorder, major depression, bipolar illness. These cover most of the daily business of psychiatrists. The particular diagnosis did not seem related to the known etiology, though it was very clear that "something mental was wrong" with patients. That does not sound like a useful scientific analysis of the problem.

    Turning the problem around, some studies of hundreds of carefully diagnosed schizophrenics failed to find a single example of this genetic cause. This causes me to doubt that this diagnostic category is useful in research aimed at etiology, prevention or cure.

    Failure to connect the condition with an etiology is reflected in life-long dependence on medication for symptom relief, there don't seem to be any real cures, and a complete failure of prevention. Incidence rates keep rising.
     
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    After taking my loved one to over 20 doctors who offered drug after drug, and diagnosis after diagnosis, and all kinds of talk therapies, but didn't even run a lab test, I became very disillusioned with psychiatrists, particularly when a cure from a very serious mental illness was effected by treating celiac, food allergies, hormones, and nutrieMr deficiencies.

    How many patients are in the same situation...misdiagnosed as psychiatric when they were, in fact, seriously ill?

    http://www.mercurynews.com/2014/04/...rd-doctors-make-bold-diagnosis-and-treatment/

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/newly-...ay-be-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-disorder/

    It has always seemed to me that people don't just wake up one day with a serious mental illness, but that environmental factors, sometimes on top of underlying genetic predisposition, shift the brain's biochemistry so it misbehaves. The challenge, then, is figuring how to correct the system thsyd out of whack, and its likely different for each person....its unlikely anyone has a Haldol deficiency....
     

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