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LED red intranasal light therapy

Discussion in 'Alternative Therapies' started by Lou, Jul 12, 2013.

  1. lizw118

    lizw118 Senior Member

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    I purchased a vielight 633 nm and used it for the first time today. I felt no effects. Should I feel something immediately? Also can someone point to the Yoga exercises that have been mentioned? And how is everyone using these lights on their belly buttons? Where are you getting this info? Thanks!
     
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    lizw118 Senior Member

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    I think I spoke too soon when I said I felt no effects from the first treatment of the LED light. I ended up sleeping for 12 hours and feeling very achy and hungover today. My teeth ached in my gums. Is that good or bad? Has anyone tried the infrared pulsed light? If so, what type of effect did it have?
     
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    Little Bluestem Senescent on the Illinois prairie, USA

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    If you are going to use a Vielight, I think it is worth reading the inventor's essay "The potential of intranasal light therapy for brain stimulation" on the MedicLights website--it is very well researched, and makes it clear that his latest version, the 810 infrared LED is the one most likely to produce good results with most people more or less like us--Parkinson's, etc. Lew Lim only started making this one early 2013, and at that point had only distributed 12, so could only report on a very few feedback comments, and it is the most expensive model in his repertoire, but it sounds very interesting, and the account of his thinking and research in trying to optimize the nasal approach is impressive. I have not used it yet, and plan to begin my experimenting with units from MedX (see the report of a lecture by Anita Saltmarsche in the chapter on light therapy in Norman Doidge's "How the Brain Heals Itself"), but plan to add the Vielight later if I get some positive response from the MedXhealth units.
     
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    @Chris I'm interested in how you respond to the MedX units.

    And curious to hear from anyone still using any of the LED lights. @Sushi @Asklipia @Lou @lizw118 How are things going? Are you still using it occasionally? Do you still get signs of detox?
     
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    @helen1--so am I! Will report in a while, but at the moment they are not yet here.
     
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    I have stopped using the light a long time ago, because it caused very strong detox. I deduced from this that it was activating my immune system very strongly and that some nasties were being eliminated.
    I am now following Sanum therapy, which does give me detox in the same way, but very mild in comparison. I intend to go back to the red light when the Sanum has stopped giving obvious results.
    Good luck!
     
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    Today I learned about a laser therapy called Class IV K-Laser which I think might be the same as @Chris is describing. It delivers "specific red and near- infrared wavelengths of laser light to induce a therapeutic effect within the body....increased circulation, decreased swelling, reduction of pain and enhanced tissue repair"

    The chiropractor I saw mentioned that same chapter in the book by Norman Doidge. The reason for my consultation with this particular chiro was b/c he apparently does not do traditional chiroprachtic manipulations but instead works with laser and other modalities with seemingly good results. He has many patients with CFS or so he says. I'm not going to get my hopes up that this will help with my dysautonomia and occiptial headaches becasue I've had my bubble burst before :( But, I do have some hope.!

    Chris, have you started treatment yet? anything to report?
     
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    Don't know if it is the same thing, @charlie1, but my chiro uses a "cold laser" and I have found it works on rashes and also for my trigeminal nerve pain (side of my face). I went into it thinking "this laser thing is woo woo" but I got at least 50% pain decrease in one treatment.

    She tried the adrenal settings on me as well, but after responding well to the first two such treatments, I crashed after the third. I think anything that "pushes" the adrenals is probably not for us.
     
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    @charlie1--the MedX units use sLEDs, not lasers--safer on the eyes, it seems, though one is warned not to stare into them. I have just received the units, but clearly will have to check with Anita before using--there are several programming steps one has to insert before using--I am sure I will be able to figure it out... So nothing to report yet..

    @Sparrowhawk--it is conceivable that "cold laser" is a loose term for sLEDs, but suspect it is not--the MedX is definitely not a laser unit. More news in a while!
     
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    The reason I'm considering laser therapy with the chiropractor is b/c lately I've been wondering how much of my unresolved whiplash issues (from a MVA 9 yrs ago) is attributing to my CFS symptoms.

    @Sparrowhawk - I wasn't sure of the difference between cold laser and the K-laser so I found some info on this physio site linked below. The laser that would be used on me is classified as type IV which according to this link offers the deepest penetration of all the therapy lasers.

    http://www.promotionphysio.com/laser/39-laser/108-high-power-laser-therapy-vs-cold-laser-therapy

    @Chris Good luck with the MedX unit! I hope it offers you symptom relief :)
     
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  12. Sparrowhawk

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    Thanks. Let us know how it works for you, hope it is effective!
     
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    @Sparrowhawk Thank-you ! Seeing as the accident was 9 yrs ago, I'm not overly optimistic but still...I have hope :)
     

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