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Late eat- relates sleep quality

Discussion in 'Sleep' started by student, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. student

    student Senior Member

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    Some have good experience with eating late. (Others have said 5 pm was the latest for eating - and than calming down for a good sleep).
    When reaching a good sleep quality, and having food much later, what is your recepies? What hours you ate? What has helped you? And what to avoid...

    I am trying to sort out my sleep issues. Thank you - Student
     
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  2. A.B.

    A.B. Senior Member

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    Slowly digested foods may help if the poor sleep quality is blood sugar related. If you ever had hypoglycemia, wake up with terrible hunger or seizure like symptoms in the middle of the night it could be worth trying. The general idea here is to avoid rapid changes in blood sugar by not eating sugar and keeping a steady level by frequently eating slowly digested foods.
     
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  3. Plum

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    I'm on the autoimmune paleo diet. I eat 1.5 to 2 hours before I sleep. I have a decent portion of protein with fat, sweet potato and veg. A typical meal for me is slow cooked pork belly, sweet potato wedges and half a plate of broccoli. If I eat earlier on I struggle to get to sleep due to blood sugar dropping and adrenaline and cortisol kicking in. If I eat too much carb a similar thing will happen. I find the same will happen if I have too much carb during the day. Even too much at breakfast will affect sleep. It's a fine line for me.
     
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  4. Little Bluestem

    Little Bluestem All Good Things Must Come to an End

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    I have my bedtime snack 1/2 hour before going to bed. It is usually cereal, milk, and fruit. The cereal is either oatmeal, cream of rice, or shredded wheat. The fruit may be fresh, frozen, or dried. Dried cherries cooked into oatmeal is most common. (I had a source of reasonably priced dried cherries.)

    If I am in a hurry, I may do toast, peanut butter, and raisins or cheese and crackers with some fruit.
     
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  5. Earmold Sydney

    Earmold Sydney

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    Late eat takes time to digest your food which result in bad sleep
     
  6. redaxe

    redaxe Senior Member

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    You should ideally stop eating within 12 hours of when you want to wake up the next day.
    https://sleep.med.harvard.edu/news/229/Harvard study finds fasting resets circadian clock

    It has been found that the body actually has a time clock that is governed by when we eat. Thus the circadian day and night cycle is actually over-riden by our stomach. This actually makes sense as from survival/evolutionary adaptations the body prioritises food over sleep. Thus going to sleep hungry or slightly hungry will guarantee that you are hungry the next morning and thus your body will 'wake you up' so it avoids starvation.

    Eating a heavy meal and then going to sleep to attempt to wake up early the next day is essentially inducing jet lag & probably causes delayed sleep phase syndrome and persistent daytime sleepiness. You throw your entire body clock out of sequence.
    Eating large meals late or close to sleep is also associated with obesity, sleep apnea, reflux, snoring and a range of health problems.
    Recall our grandparents - they would always eat around sunset (6-7pm). With the fast pace of technology we have modified our lifestyles but this hasn't been a good change.
    Ideally if you don't have time to eat dinner early you should just have a sandwich or just snack on a bit of fruit and not eat a heavy meal. It is better to eat heavier at breakfast or lunch. Ideally you should not be eating large/heavy meals after about 3pm if you struggle with daytime/morning sleepiness.

    http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2008/05/study-identifies-food-related-clock-in-the-brain/

    “A period of fasting with no food at all for about 16 hours is enough to engage this new clock,” says Saper. “So, in this case, simply avoiding any food on the plane, and then eating as soon as you land, should help you to adjust – and avoid some of the uncomfortable feelings of jet lag.”

    The same principle applies here. If ones sleep clock is out of rhythm a 16 hour food fast may be necessary but to maintain and enforce a healthy sleep routine one should probably avoid meals 12 hours before waking up and eat lighter in the evening.

    I think with ME/CFS the body has problems with energy and metabolism. Sleep is needed for recovery, thus eating late is going to cause problems as sleep will be even more non-restorative as the body has to use a lot of energy to digest. Thus it would probably be well advised to follow the advice that Harvard has produced to maximise sleep quality. This will give the body the best chance to recover.
     
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  7. ChrisD

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    I try to follow this principle of eating earlier but find that even if I have a huge dinner, if I go to bed feeling slightly hungry or become hungry a few hours into being in bed, then I cannot sleep well at all. Therefore I usually will have a bed-time snack at around 10pm, usually containing Protein, Fat and Carbs so something like Nut Butter on crackers and maybe a glass of coconut milk or something...
     
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